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    figured it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by shabbasuraj
    I have tried the search but cannot find anything specific that answers my question...

    When in the smallest chainring up front and the smallest cog in the rear, the lower pulley/chain of my XT derailleur is rubbing on the upper pulley.

    Is this normal? If not how do I adjust the thing so that it does not rub?

    Thanks in advance...
    You shouldn't be using that combination.....The drill however is to shorten the chain just enough that there is no rub when in that combination......Then,assuming you are using the correct derailer for the application,it will handle the large cog for the recommended application. But always check to be certain the chain is also long enough for the big/big.
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    What do you have for a cassette? What do you have for chainrings?

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    Thanks for the replies people...

    CASSETTE
    Shimano HG-50 LX, 9-speed, 11x34t

    CHAIN
    Shimano HG-73

    FRONT DERAILLEUR
    Shimano M-570 LX, 34.9mm clamp, bottom pull

    REAR DERAILLEUR
    Shimano M-750 XT, long cage, standard spring

    CHAINRINGS
    44Ax32Sx22S, 4 bolt 104/64mm pattern, steel chainring bolts
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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    You shouldn't be using that combination.....The drill however is to shorten the chain just enough that there is no rub when in that combination......Then,assuming you are using the correct derailer for the application,it will handle the large cog for the recommended application. But always check to be certain the chain is also long enough for the big/big.
    When you say I should not be using this combination are you referring to that when biking I should try to avoid using this specific gear (i.e. cog and crank) combination?

    (That is of course assuming everything in the drivetrain is compliant?)

    thanks again for the reply..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    You shouldn't be using that combination.....The drill however is to shorten the chain just enough that there is no rub when in that combination......Then,assuming you are using the correct derailer for the application,it will handle the large cog for the recommended application. But always check to be certain the chain is also long enough for the big/big.
    I was wondering if a road triple crank 53-39-30 and an mtb cassette 11-34 might create too much slack in 30x11 if the chain is long enough to work in 53-34. I know you should not cross chain, I was just wondering if that combo might cause a problem? I know a couple of people who have this problem and have this gearing, but I have not looked at the bikes yet.
    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shabbasuraj
    When you say I should not be using this combination are you referring to that when biking I should try to avoid using this specific gear (i.e. cog and crank) combination?

    (That is of course assuming everything in the drivetrain is compliant?)

    thanks again for the reply..
    That is correct. With a triple there is no point in using the smallest cogs whrn it the small ring, or the biggest cogs when in the big ring. It just increases stress and wear on the drivetrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    I was wondering if a road triple crank 53-39-30 and an mtb cassette 11-34 might create too much slack in 30x11 if the chain is long enough to work in 53-34. I know you should not cross chain, I was just wondering if that combo might cause a problem? I know a couple of people who have this problem and have this gearing, but I have not looked at the bikes yet.
    What do you think?
    That is 42 teeth of wrap and within the capacity of a proper mtb RD. Even if wrap is a bit insufficient,the answer is to stay out of the small cogs when in the granny ring.However,this concept seems to be lost on far too may people that think they should be able to use every gear combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    That is 42 teeth of wrap and within the capacity of a proper mtb RD. Even if wrap is a bit insufficient,the answer is to stay out of the small cogs when in the granny ring.However,this concept seems to be lost on far too may people that think they should be able to use every gear combination.
    Thank you sydney. That will be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    That is 42 teeth of wrap and within the capacity of a proper mtb RD. Even if wrap is a bit insufficient,the answer is to stay out of the small cogs when in the granny ring.However,this concept seems to be lost on far too may people that think they should be able to use every gear combination.
    edited.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by shabbasuraj
    So the answer to my original post is, what I am witnessing is normal?

    Off hand, what other gear combinations should I avoid? I know I should avoid the really extreme 'chain bending' combo's anything else?
    Given the components you listed, you are dealing with 45 teeth of required wrap.That is 2 teeth outside of the 43 tooth spec. Shimano spec is usually conservative.The derailer really should handle it,but your chain may also be too long.Put chain on big big and see if there is enough enough extra chain to remove 1". If not then there is nothing to do but sstay out of the smalller cogs when in the granny as I already said.
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    When I check chain length, I do two things.

    I put the chain into the big-big gear combo and set length so as to not over stress the derailleur.

    I then go to the small-small combo and try to avoid the chain rubbing the upper jockey pulley as you are experiencing.

    Of the two, rubbing the upper jockey pulley is the safer option. IOW, leave the chain longer.

    Even though everyone knows to not cross chain while riding, (BIG-BIG or SMALL-SMALL) in the event you accidently do it, it's better to have the BIG-BIG combo NOT over-stress the rear derailleur vs. a little bit of harmless rubbing.

    Did that make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
    When I check chain length, I do two things.

    I put the chain into the big-big gear combo and set length so as to not over stress the derailleur.

    I then go to the small-small combo and try to avoid the chain rubbing the upper jockey pulley as you are experiencing.

    Of the two, rubbing the upper jockey pulley is the safer option. IOW, leave the chain longer.

    Even though everyone knows to not cross chain while riding, (BIG-BIG or SMALL-SMALL) in the event you accidently do it, it's better to have the BIG-BIG combo NOT over-stress the rear derailleur vs. a little bit of harmless rubbing.

    Did that make sense?
    works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
    When I check chain length, I do two things.

    I put the chain into the big-big gear combo and set length so as to not over stress the derailleur.

    I then go to the small-small combo and try to avoid the chain rubbing the upper jockey pulley as you are experiencing.

    Of the two, rubbing the upper jockey pulley is the safer option. IOW, leave the chain longer.

    Even though everyone knows to not cross chain while riding, (BIG-BIG or SMALL-SMALL) in the event you accidently do it, it's better to have the BIG-BIG combo NOT over-stress the rear derailleur vs. a little bit of harmless rubbing.

    Did that make sense?
    edited..
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    Quote Originally Posted by shabbasuraj
    Yes indeed. Thanks for the reply.

    Now I am just wondering if this is a common symptom on bikes like mine with similar components. (i.e. Specialized Epics) The drive train specs that I mentioned above are stock from the factory and thus I am now even more curious.
    It's common on any bike with a granny gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    It's common on any bike with a granny gear.
    Actually is isn't. It all depends on the tooth spread and derailer being used. I don't have that isssue with any granny setup I have.I even have short cages that wrap all the chain even with a granny and the small/small.... Just curious...Do you really work in a bike shop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    Actually is isn't. It all depends on the tooth spread and derailer being used. I don't have that isssue with any granny setup I have. Just curious...Do you really work in a bike shop?
    I've had about enough of your crap.

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    edited....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    I've had about enough of your crap.
    Honest quiesion I think considering your alleged 'credentials' and the 'stuff' you dish up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    Honest quiesion I think considering your alleged 'credentials' and the 'stuff' you dish up.
    It's not an honest question at all. You just enjoy brow beating people who disagree with you. The answer is YES I do work at a shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydney
    Actually is isn't. It all depends on the tooth spread and derailer being used. I don't have that isssue with any granny setup I have.I even have short cages that wrap all the chain even with a granny and the small/small.... Just curious...Do you really work in a bike shop?
    I believe one other way to handle large tooth spread is also to use larger rear derailleur pulleys and you can have a shorter cage. Like my 3x9 Dura Ace. I think some of the hybrids, with mega range do this too, ???

    Correct me if I am wrong. I may be way off base, I'm thinking.....

    Typical road triples need less wrap than typical MTB triples? Closer ratios. Just more typical,
    not every single case. So it's more typical to get a short cage working well on a road triple.

    Is this correct?

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