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    UPDATE:

    I went to about 5 local shops yesterday. In the last shop, I found a right side JTEK shifter that had been laying around for years. It's indexed for Alfine 8 speed. I got it for a good price.





    http://jtekengineering.com/barendshifter.php

    I checked and it fits on the end of Nitto bars.

    PROS: The switching is VERY hard and deliberate.
    CONS: I won't be able to fine-tune it like a friction shifter.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    My thought was that you could use the inline adjuster to set a base line resistance comparable to laps 2-4 of the kilo. Then use the barcon or thumbie to simulate starting resistance. This would provide you with the ability to lessen resistance with minimal thought and no chance of over adjusting while going flat out. Just a way of providing greater consistancy with regard to where you end up late as you complete the accelleration phase.

    If you're using it like the video below, there wouldn't be an advantage. But, that doesn't look productive to me. Or, at the very least, far, far from ideal.

    I'm also wondering if a multispeed tt/barend/aero shifter would have sufficient resistance in it's detents to hold braking pressures. Having 10 consistent set points in addition to the inline adjuster might be advantageous with regard to repeatability.

    Let us know how your experiment works out.
    Ah. I see what you mean now.
    Last edited by carleton; 01-07-14 at 01:47 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    you will have 8 increments , as you pull the cable tighter .. it may be adequate .. only time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    you will have 8 increments , as you pull the cable tighter .. it may be adequate .. only time will tell
    On a related note, the reference Cateye CS-1000 also used an indexed lever with about 6-8 increments. Yeah, time will tell. I'm waiting on 1 more part to arrive then I'll have it complete.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    The minnions anxiously await photographic evidence of your success in creating "Carleton's Frankentrainer".
    Birth Certificate, Passport, Marriage License Driver's License and Residency Permit all say I'm a Fred. I guess there's no denying it.

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    stick an inline cable adjuster in the housing path and you might be able to tweak
    the use of the space between detents .. since you are stationary at least you wont crash into Anything.

    and Get on Paul Allen, Etc. about putting up a Velodrome.

    there was that thing on the ballot last year about a [Private, non tribal] Casino on an old,
    betting on the Dogs track site, in Portland.

    Maybe a Japanese style Keirin track would get funding, since In Japan they have Betting windows ,
    taking odds, and Money, on which guy will Win, show and Place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    The minnions anxiously await photographic evidence of your success in creating "Carleton's Frankentrainer".


    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    stick an inline cable adjuster in the housing path and you might be able to tweak
    the use of the space between detents .. since you are stationary at least you wont crash into Anything.

    and Get on Paul Allen, Etc. about putting up a Velodrome.

    there was that thing on the ballot last year about a [Private, non tribal] Casino on an old,
    betting on the Dogs track site, in Portland.

    Maybe a Japanese style Keirin track would get funding, since In Japan they have Betting windows ,
    taking odds, and Money, on which guy will Win, show and Place..
    I just moved here about a year ago and I'm amazed at how BIG cycling is here. People ride/commute rain, snow, sleet or shine. The velodrome is very popular, too. This summer I showed up early for a workout and there was a new riders clinic for women only with something like 30 or more ladies participating. That's HUGE. Most clinics have 0-3 women sprinkled among the men.

    I'm not much of a "mover and shaker" when it comes to big initiatives like this. But, I'm good at helping and opening my wallet
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Cost of Living in PDX will help your wallet lighten . but the SF bay area is worse, so take that in .

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    UPDATE:

    As bigfred and fietsbob thought, the indexes on the 8-speed shifter are simply too far apart. I only have 3 usable selections: OFF, Barely Touching, and Immovable

    Luckily, I ordered some Dia-Compe Silver Bar End Shifters last week which should arrive today or tomorrow.

    The product description is as follows:
    These are copies of the Suntour Micro ratcheting shifters and one of the best shifters of all time (only the discontinued Simplex retro-friction are slightly nicer). These are the Dia Compe Silver down tube shifters adapted to bar enduse.


    Back to work...
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Thanks for the update Carleton. I had been wondering how it was going. Hopefully the micro ratcheting will offer better control.
    Birth Certificate, Passport, Marriage License Driver's License and Residency Permit all say I'm a Fred. I guess there's no denying it.

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    Update:

    The Dia-Compe shifters (above) that I ordered were lost in transit due to USPS error. Ben's Cycle is sending out another set.

    In the mean-time, I found a set of these in a local shop:

    (random pic from the internet)


    The ones I got were pretty beat up but they work perfectly! They hold the tension at any setting solid as a rock.

    Problem solved. Thanks for the help!!
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    my Go-To shift levers for 30 years..

    I got off the 'more speeds is better' bandwagon
    long ago because I was never unhappy with my drivetrain function ..

    Until I adopted a Rohloff hub equipped Bike .. in 08..
    Last edited by fietsbob; 01-16-14 at 04:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    my Go-To shift levers for 30 years..
    I can see why! The engineering is amazing.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    If you would like to use the repeatability of an indexed shifter, but are held back because the cable pull is wrong, you could try a Travel Agent. Travel Agents come in regular (designed to fit into the yoke on a V-brake) and in an in-line version. The in-line version is not currently in production, but are readily available, and are probably the best choice for your application. Here's an example (no relationship to the seller): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Problem-Solv...-/370606573179

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    UPDATE:

    Thanks again, guys. Last week I was able to pour 1960W into the machine and it was really steady.



    So, being that we are never satisfied...

    My SRM track cranks are just sitting on my track bike and won't be used until April or May when the season is about to begin. I want to put them on this thing. They use the Octalink BB.

    The SRM records data at a faster rate and sooner than the PowerTap. With the PowerTap I miss the first few seconds of the effort.

    I called Cycleops and they said that the BB in the unit is a 113x68 ISIS and uses that big steel combined crank and chainring thing. I have a 109.5 Dura Ace BB, but I think that will throw the chainline off.

    So, what are my Octalink options? I've only seen 109.5mm. Are there longer ones? Anybody got a part number for something longer?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by carleton; 01-28-14 at 12:28 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelsNT View Post
    If you would like to use the repeatability of an indexed shifter, but are held back because the cable pull is wrong, you could try a Travel Agent. Travel Agents come in regular (designed to fit into the yoke on a V-brake) and in an in-line version. The in-line version is not currently in production, but are readily available, and are probably the best choice for your application. Here's an example (no relationship to the seller): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Problem-Solv...-/370606573179
    Thanks, wheels. I think the current friction shifter is perfect. But, this is a great idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Any pics of the finished set up? I thinking about buying one as well for similar purposes.

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    someone was sorta asking the bb question in the framebuilder's forum about a month ago. We didn't help him.

    I think you should be able to space out the bb by an amount that will give you a good chainline. Is there a problem with clearances on the non-drive side?

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