Is my RD housing too long?
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Is my RD housing too long?
I just installed new shifter cables and I'm not sure if my RD housing should be shorter. I understand the principles of proper housing length (parallel exit and entry at the stop and the barrel adjuster), and I believe my housing meets these requirements, but my loop looks much larger than most examples I've seen on other people's bikes.
I based my setup on this image from Park Tool:
And here's my setup:
So what do you think? Too long? By the way, the bike does shift very nicely so far after a 30 min session on the rollers.
Thanks so much.
I based my setup on this image from Park Tool:
And here's my setup:
So what do you think? Too long? By the way, the bike does shift very nicely so far after a 30 min session on the rollers.
Thanks so much.
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If the shifting is good, the loop must be ok but it does look a bit long to me. I checked a couple of my own bikes, which also shift well, and I have a 4" between the far end of the loop and the center of the QR skewer nut on the drive side so see how your compares.
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Interesting, I cut my housing loops to look much more like the "short" one. Can't say that this length has ever been a problem for me or my customers. far more important then a small length difference is the condition of the cable and casing and whether there's any grime/rust inside them. Andy.
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Pictures of it in the highest gear and the lowest gear? Highest gear, with the derailleur most extended the cable should be going straight into the derailleur cable stop w/o straining or tending to kink, and in the lowest gear has a minimal 's' curve. Yours looks like it would have a bit too much 's' curve in the lowest gear. Note the Park Tool diagram is in the highest gear and you are in a middle gear.
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Pictures of it in the highest gear and the lowest gear? Highest gear, with the derailleur most extended the cable should be going straight into the derailleur cable stop w/o straining or tending to kink, and in the lowest gear has a minimal 's' curve. Yours looks like it would have a bit too much 's' curve in the lowest gear. Note the Park Tool diagram is in the highest gear and you are in a middle gear.
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Now you made me go back and look a mine, twice. Heh. The housing does straighten some on the lower gears, but not as much as I thought. (2008 10 sp Ultegra FWIW) I suppose a little long is better than any too short. Some bikes I've worked on (older and cheap) seem to move a lot more.
(and your wheels cost more than all three of my bikes, so what do I know?) heh
(and your wheels cost more than all three of my bikes, so what do I know?) heh
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I think older bikes (especially friction shifted) have a larger "sweet spot" when it comes to shifter housing length. I prefer the smallest loop possible that provides correct shifting; just a personal preference.
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I prefer to have a little too much housing, that way if I need to trim some housing when putting in new cables.
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+1, the "good housing" pic looks wack. If the housing is too long, there is extra cable friction since the cable has to go further outward before it can bend around.
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Thanks for everyone's comments. I ended up trimming about 2 inches from the housing and the exit/entry from the cable stop and barrel adjuster still look good. Shifting still feels crisp. I could still probably trim a bit more but I'll see how this rides and then adjust from there.
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Wrong, IMO. Sharp bend radii cause more friction than longer straighter runs. Erring on the side of longer adds very little friction whereas erring on the side of too short adds a lot. Between the two, I'd go with the long one, but since it is a bit beyond optimum IMO, I'd cut a cm or two out of it to get just right.
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Thanks for everyone's comments. I ended up trimming about 2 inches from the housing and the exit/entry from the cable stop and barrel adjuster still look good. Shifting still feels crisp. I could still probably trim a bit more but I'll see how this rides and then adjust from there.
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In the same gearing as what I posted above:
In the highest gear:
And also in the smallest ring up front/largest in the rear just for fun:
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Short housings included in kits from Shimano are about 31 cm (12 inches) and from Campy about 33 cm (13 inches). I think this is the normal range for good shifting performance. But whatever works for you.
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After an hour ride the indexing feels good so I'm going to stick with this length. It still even looks longer than a lot of setups I see in person and online but perhaps a lot of people end up cutting cables too short? Here are some more pics of what it looks like now.
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Huh. You win. I don't see any real difference in the cable housing bend at the highest or lowest gear either. You are probably right in leaving it alone now - even if (that is a "if") it is long, it's 2 inches less long and looks good. What is odd is that I cannot really see any huge difference in the derailleur position between the before and after pictures. New to me.
I think I'm right in the sweet spot now. Interesting that Park Tool provides a reference picture that shows the loop so exaggerated but it also seems like it's a picture of a friction based shifter.
I'm glad I asked here though. I think I always err on the side of being too long when I first setup a rear derailleur but then I end up trimming a bit.
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I would say...still too long. Try to make mine flat out of the cable stop, then a 180 bend into the RD. But no harm done unless you find your cable flapping around back there.
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It used to not be a real word, but it's now in the American English lexicon:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
Kinda like my pet peeve word: "entitled" being used in place of "titled", as in "The book was entitled The Grapes of Wrath". Which is more whack than a long cable loop, IMO.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
Kinda like my pet peeve word: "entitled" being used in place of "titled", as in "The book was entitled The Grapes of Wrath". Which is more whack than a long cable loop, IMO.
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