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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibber View Post
    Oh, i'm hardheaded, certainly. I'm not convinced I should or shouldn't buy them. I was looking for information. If i was really looking for someone to buoy any preconceived notions i would have ran out and bought them based on carpediem's post on the 41 thread. I really don't want this to turn into the helmet thread.
    LOL You got answers that basically have 95 percent of people saying "Don't buy them" and one person who gives info on what to look for in case you actually do buy them but yet you still don't think anyone answered your question? Geeez. Even that one person said this: "Having said all that a similar year TriSpoke would be a better choice in my opinion. Let's put it this way. I gave away the Spinergy Rev-Xs I had, something like 6 or 7 wheels. I kept the three TriSpokes." So that person even recommended against buying the Rev-X and going with the TriSpoke. I don't think that carpediem's post was saying "go out and buy them" but rather was saying "if you insist, this is what you look for, however I recommend that you don't go buy the rims and instead get these..."

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    Also, helmet threads usually are split down the middle, pro or con, these threads about Rev-X rims are so con lopsided, totally not the same.
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    oh man....

    i'm not buying them. the ad was deleted, and honestly i'm not so rabidly interested in them that i'm looking on the bay or elsewhere. so much hearsay and very little firsthand experience found here. the one poster with actual experience that gave me a real answer based on that experience never had a problem with them and, presumably, neither did those that received the wheels he gave away. and, in fact, he told me what to look for in the wheels that i should ride if i find them. but, i'm not actively pursuing a pair. however, i now have more information about them than i had before.

    the psychology of this phenomenon is interesting to me, actually. around 300,000 wheelsets made, and how many failed? it's such a vicious reaction to the mention of these wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibber View Post
    oh man....

    i'm not buying them. the ad was deleted, and honestly i'm not so rabidly interested in them that i'm looking on the bay or elsewhere. so much hearsay and very little firsthand experience found here. the one poster with actual experience that gave me a real answer based on that experience never had a problem with them and, presumably, neither did those that received the wheels he gave away. and, in fact, he told me what to look for in the wheels that i should ride if i find them. but, i'm not actively pursuing a pair. however, i now have more information about them than i had before.

    the psychology of this phenomenon is interesting to me, actually. around 300,000 wheelsets made, and how many failed? it's such a vicious reaction to the mention of these wheels.
    I seriously doubt that Spinergy made 300,000 wheel sets. The problem with the Rev-X wheels was not that some failed but when they did fail, it was usually catastrophically.

    I had a set of rev-x wheels and I still think they're a very sexy component. I did pay careful attention to them and when the leading edges of the carbon spokes started to become damaged from rock and debris strikes, I disposed of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibber View Post
    oh man....

    i'm not buying them. the ad was deleted, and honestly i'm not so rabidly interested in them that i'm looking on the bay or elsewhere. so much hearsay and very little firsthand experience found here. the one poster with actual experience that gave me a real answer based on that experience never had a problem with them and, presumably, neither did those that received the wheels he gave away. and, in fact, he told me what to look for in the wheels that i should ride if i find them. but, i'm not actively pursuing a pair. however, i now have more information about them than i had before.

    the psychology of this phenomenon is interesting to me, actually. around 300,000 wheelsets made, and how many failed? it's such a vicious reaction to the mention of these wheels.
    It's actually a conspiracy to egg you on to get a set of these wheels in hopes there will be one less obtuse poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davet View Post
    I seriously doubt that Spinergy made 300,000 wheel sets. The problem with the Rev-X wheels was not that some failed but when they did fail, it was usually catastrophically.

    I had a set of rev-x wheels and I still think they're a very sexy component. I did pay careful attention to them and when the leading edges of the carbon spokes started to become damaged from rock and debris strikes, I disposed of them.
    ok, maybe not that many. i don't know. i've seen that number in a couple of posts around online. sounds like the prudent thing to do, when they're in that state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
    It's actually a conspiracy to egg you on to get a set of these wheels in hopes there will be one less obtuse poster.
    wow, didn't think i was being obtuse. i got two answers somewhat pertaining to the weight limit of the wheels. only one person even touched on the fact that there were more than one version of the wheel built, even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibber View Post
    wow, didn't think i was being obtuse. i got two answers somewhat pertaining to the weight limit of the wheels. only one person even touched on the fact that there were more than one version of the wheel built, even.
    I would say that is having tunnel vision. You were specifically looking for that answer but didn't want to hear the massive negative reputation that is associated with those wheels. It would be like if I were to post a question regarding how to install a crown race on a death fork for use and got upset when people were recommending against using that fork and not directly answering how to install the crown race.

    I have zero vested interest in you getting or not getting a set of Rev-X wheels and I don't think anyone else does either, we just want you to realize what a bad decision it would be to get a set of those wheels. We as commentators on your thread are just wowed at the lack of respect given to our answers. Getting a questionable set of wheels just for "period correctness" is very vain and short-sighted.

    You have ostrich syndrome. You only want to hear what you want and ignore all the rest and when people harp on the rest, you get defensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demoncyclist View Post
    IIRC, limit was 200ish, when they were new. They are likely older than 15. They had a reputation for delaminating. I had one friend who spun the hub assembly out of the shell. The shop I used to hang it (now long gone) had one they used as a gate between the retail space and the work area. It wasn't much good fro anything else at that point. I would avoid.

    dangit, rolled right past this, and got caught up in my own thread. i figured i'd be pushing the limit, but knowing what i know now, i can find the right wheel if i drop enough weight. i have seen one set that were delaminating in a shop window once. they were 650s though, i think. i'll find a better wheel. cheers!

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    I say if you really want a Rev-X wheelset (they do look the bomb), then find a pair in good nick, maybe put on some body armour, and go out and try to break them.

    If you can't make them start to fail by giving them a hard time, win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmo View Post
    I say if you really want a Rev-X wheelset (they do look the bomb), then find a pair in good nick, maybe put on some body armour, and go out and try to break them.

    If you can't make them start to fail by giving them a hard time, win.
    well, i've already got one wheelset in the post for my campy build, so the wheels for my 99 Caad are on the back burner, now. it was semi-serendipitous that they were on CL as i was looking at wheels. wheel purchasing is done, for the time being

    Quote Originally Posted by bobotech View Post
    I would say that is having tunnel vision. You were specifically looking for that answer but didn't want to hear the massive negative reputation that is associated with those wheels. It would be like if I were to post a question regarding how to install a crown race on a death fork for use and got upset when people were recommending against using that fork and not directly answering how to install the crown race.

    I have zero vested interest in you getting or not getting a set of Rev-X wheels and I don't think anyone else does either, we just want you to realize what a bad decision it would be to get a set of those wheels. We as commentators on your thread are just wowed at the lack of respect given to our answers. Getting a questionable set of wheels just for "period correctness" is very vain and short-sighted.

    You have ostrich syndrome. You only want to hear what you want and ignore all the rest and when people harp on the rest, you get defensive.

    i'm not really sure what to make of your post, here. i will say, yes, i do get tunnel vision; i will readily admit to being hard headed, if i wasn't, i would have walked away from my brifter/7spd conversion on my 87. i almost threw the bike off the balcony.

    why do you have a problem with me looking for information? are you actually insulted that i didn't simply lay down and accept everyone's position to not even research the wheels? are you chiding me for being curious? is that what's happening here? i'll be damned if asking questions equates to having my head buried in the sand. you must be insane if that is in anyway analogous. i don't really have to explain one thing about why i'm curious about the wheels, but i wanted to know something and i actually get flack from people that are part of a website that usually, usually, is renowned for having the information that people want. i didn't give YOU respect? are you kidding me? if that's the way you feel, you can feel free to not comment on anything i post. if i was in any way concerned with "reputations" i wouldn't ride "crack and fails". i wouldn't ride my geared bike because hipsters only ride fixies and ss "in the city" and that would make me uncool.

    yes, i ignored the cacophonous trolling unwilling to even entertain an exchange of information. and, in doing so, i learned something. i'm sorry that rubs you the wrong way.

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    Time to kill this thread. Information has given way to invective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibber View Post

    i'm not really sure what to make of your post, here. i will say, yes, i do get tunnel vision; i will readily admit to being hard headed, if i wasn't, i would have walked away from my brifter/7spd conversion on my 87. i almost threw the bike off the balcony.

    why do you have a problem with me looking for information? are you actually insulted that i didn't simply lay down and accept everyone's position to not even research the wheels? are you chiding me for being curious? is that what's happening here? i'll be damned if asking questions equates to having my head buried in the sand. you must be insane if that is in anyway analogous. i don't really have to explain one thing about why i'm curious about the wheels, but i wanted to know something and i actually get flack from people that are part of a website that usually, usually, is renowned for having the information that people want. i didn't give YOU respect? are you kidding me? if that's the way you feel, you can feel free to not comment on anything i post. if i was in any way concerned with "reputations" i wouldn't ride "crack and fails". i wouldn't ride my geared bike because hipsters only ride fixies and ss "in the city" and that would make me uncool.

    yes, i ignored the cacophonous trolling unwilling to even entertain an exchange of information. and, in doing so, i learned something. i'm sorry that rubs you the wrong way.
    I almost didn't bother to respond but I can't resist. In a nutshell, you threw away everyone's responses apparently equating them with "trolling" and only accepting what you wanted to hear. I don't even think you understand what trolling really is. I didn't see any trolling posts in this or other spinergy threads, only people giving their opinions that riding a wheel that when it fails, fails catastrophically instead of just being a major inconvenience is a bad thing no matter how remote the possibility and you disregard that saying its unimportant.

    Like others have said, even if your Cannondale frame cracks, it most likely won't be a catastrophic failure, frame failures usually aren't (except forks). But when a Spinergy Rev X fails, it tends to completely fail and collapse which is why people don't recommend them. Chances are that will never happen but if it does, you could be involved in a serious wreck caused by the failure of the wheels. Its the way you are "looking for information" and disregarding what is presented to you, i.e. burying your head in the sand. I think if you had said "Yes, I accept that when a Spinergy Rev X fails, it is usually catastrophic and causes a major bike accident but that is a risk I'm willing to take in the name of being period correct/looks" then this thread would have taken another turn.

    I have zero problem with you and your looking for information other than your reluctance to admit that those wheels don't fail gradually but rather all at once usually causing a bad spill. You have made other posts in other threads and they were knowledgeable and well thought out. I don't think you are a bad guy at all and I have no problem with you otherwise. Your post in the other thread about the person looking to upgrade their Trek seemed logical and informative. (Edit, I think that might have been the wrong thread but I know you have made other posts that were logical and informative, I just can't find it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobotech View Post
    I have zero problem with you and your looking for information other than your reluctance to admit that those wheels don't fail gradually but rather all at once usually causing a bad spill.

    I over-reacted. I do know about their ability to fail in such a manner. That was all I knew, really.

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    Bah, I bought a set new and rode them for ten years, then sold these death wheels on craigslist for a couple c-notes. Well worth the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    Bah, I bought a set new and rode them for ten years, then sold these death wheels on craigslist for a couple c-notes. Well worth the money.
    OK, but 83% of the participants in Russian Roulette have a good outcome too. That doesn't mean it's a safe past time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    OK, but 83% of the participants in Russian Roulette have a good outcome too. That doesn't mean it's a safe past time.
    If it really was Russian Roulette every time I rode them, then the probability of a failure would approach one. But it isn't, so it didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    If it really was Russian Roulette every time I rode them, then the probability of a failure would approach one. But it isn't, so it didn't.
    Don't be silly, of course the probability of failure wasn't that high with each use. The point was that the fact you rode them successfully doesn't make the consequences of failure any less dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    Don't be silly, of course the probability of failure wasn't that high with each use. The point was that the fact you rode them successfully doesn't make the consequences of failure any less dire.
    Right, actually using the things for years is irrelevant; in your delusional mind I was walking a tightrope of death at every pedal stroke. I know half a dozen people who also used them with no problems. I know zero people who had problems with them. Even the idiots I know rode them fine.

    You people are caricatures. You read one story on the net and see a few pics of crash damaged Spinergys and nothing but mindless drivel will now issue forth from your keyboard.

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    [QUOTE=Jiggle;16548134]Right, actually using the things for years is irrelevant; in your delusional mind I was walking a tightrope of death at every pedal stroke. I know half a dozen people who also used them with no problems. I know zero people who had problems with them. Even the idiots I know rode them fine.

    You people are caricatures. You read one story on the net and see a few pics of crash damaged Spinergys and nothing but mindless drivel will now issue forth from your keyboard.[/QUOTE

    Seems you are violating Rule #2 of 10 pretty good rules.

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