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    Possible carbon fork damage. Requesting fb

    Hello all,

    I recently bought a used frame & fork on ebay and I'm getting a little sketched about the condition of things. The frame looks good, but the fork is a little iffy. Take a look at the pics,

    DSCN3496.jpg DSCN3495.jpg

    flicker link; http://www.flickr.com/photos/8168607@N02/12998203754/ , http://www.flickr.com/photos/8168607@N02/12998184834/

    The guy never mentioned any damage and get this, he advertised a 60cm frame and it is actually a 58cm! I'm starting to think about completely backing out and getting all my money back. Which includes the $50 I paid to have it shipped to me! Yeah the charge is right there before you even bid, but I thought this was going to be a first class shipping job. He told me Fed EX was a bit sketched on his packing job!

    So anyways, what do you think of the damage on the fork? The other damage at the end of the leg doesn't look that bad. It's just nicked about paint deep. If you are interested, the item number was 271409917818

    I appreciate any and all comments regarding this issue.

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    I'm much less of a fanatic than many here about this kind of thing, so I'd consider it signs of wear and tear. Whether it's in the listing photo and how to resolve is a contract issue for you to work out, but I don't consider it a mechanical problem. If all else is good, keep it and ride it. If you're anything like me, these will be camouflaged soon enough anyway.
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    Not possible damage, actual damage. Size was wrong, now fork buggered up? I would not accept it, but others will disagree.

    The fact that the cf is punctured worries me. I wouldn't ride it, others would. Only you can decide, but perhaps others will chime in with helpful observations?

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    Hmmm.....I don't like the misinformation in the listing. (I'd really laugh if there was a "58cm" sticker on the seat tube). However, I wonder if there's a story behind the bike? Was the seller the original owner? Did they decide to strip components to build another bike? Or did they "acquire" this and just want to flip it for a buck?

    One thing you *can* do is the coin test. Tap the forks with the edge of a coin (I like to use a nickel) and see if there's any significant difference in tone apples for apples. (Tone may change up & down fork, but should change similarly on both forks) If you run into a flat or dead sounding spot right around that puncture, it could be compromised.

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    there are a number of different ways that people measure frames. of course, as mentioned, if there is a sticker on it... well that's another story.

    on a non-parallel top tube frame the only seat tube measurement, as far as know, is a "virtual seat tube" which is problematical, it could be a couple centimeters either way.

    if it's a parallel top tube it can be measured from the middle of the BB spindle to the bottom of the top tube, the center of the top tube, the top of the top tube or even to the top of the seat tube. so there's that.

    but i have to say that if the seller did not mention the damage on the fork as pictured, that's objectionable. OTOH it looks a lot worse, as would be expected, in the closeup. not so bad in the pic with the fork in your hand.

    BTW, is that a 1 1/8" carbon fork with threaded (or unthreaded i guess) steel steerer and canti bosses for a 26" wheel? if so, i didn't know they made them. if you don't want it, i might be interested, i'm looking to drop about 6 pounds off my MTB beater bike, and losing my all steel unicrown fork should just about do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    BTW, is that a 1 1/8" carbon fork with threaded (or unthreaded i guess) steel steerer
    Odds-on it's an ally steerer; that's what it looks like too.

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    if you return something on ebay in a dispute. yes you get your shipping charges to the seller refunded.
    the problem is YOU must pay return shipping.
    so in all reality you don't get shipping refunded.

    i would suggest a email to the seller and see if you can work something out. maybe like a partial refund or something like that.
    you also might try a shipping damage claim if you still have the shipping boxes and packing material.

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    In regards to what the size is of the fork, if you look at the OP, it states the ebay item #. This frame is a 2011 Trek X0. The guy and I have been trading emails after I received it. It's not like he's trying to pull a fast one. He just didn't really do it right. He should have cleaned all the parts well and he would have probably found the damage. It looks like the parts had a ride or two on it and he packed them away. Never how I would sell stuff on ebay! He has mentioned a couple of times about buying this at his LBS and the receipt stating it's a 60cm. He hasn't mentioned the name of the LBS, so I have no idea how competent the shop is.

    The coin test seems to point out that everything is as should be. Nothing that is pointing to a problem. Thanks for the tip loimpact!

    The fork is Bontrager carbon with alloy steerer.

    I decided to pull all the shipping material out of the recycling bin for documentation and possible shipping back. We're still going back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TugaDude View Post
    Not possible damage, actual damage. Size was wrong, now fork buggered up? I would not accept it, but others will disagree.

    The fact that the cf is punctured worries me. I wouldn't ride it, others would. Only you can decide, but perhaps others will chime in with helpful observations?
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    I went ahead and filed a case in ebay. I didn't want to have too much time pass and not get ebay involved. This will have thing move along. I responded to him this morning, 5hrs ago and no response yet. I'm patient but I only go so far. The note left on the case filed stated;

    This item was not the size advertised. Was damaged and not noted in ad or damaged during shipping. The item came poorly packaged and shipping was over charged.

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    If you like the bike, I would negotiate for a replacement fork. It would probably be the least expensive solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by dweenk View Post
    If you like the bike, I would negotiate for a replacement fork. It would probably be the least expensive solution
    That would have been an option, but never materialized. It ended up that I shipped the frame & fork back to him. It started out that he wanted me to pay for shipping back, but I disputed that I should be required to. I told him and ebay that I didn't do anything wrong. Why should I be penalized? It ended up the seller refunded my total initial fee and payed for shipping back. The seller got sparkling clean frame and fork set back! I'm guessing he's squaring up with his LBS since he states the receipt states a "60cm" frame.

    Thanks for everyone's help on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User1 View Post
    That would have been an option, but never materialized. It ended up that I shipped the frame & fork back to him. It started out that he wanted me to pay for shipping back, but I disputed that I should be required to. I told him and ebay that I didn't do anything wrong. Why should I be penalized? It ended up the seller refunded my total initial fee and payed for shipping back. The seller got sparkling clean frame and fork set back! I'm guessing he's squaring up with his LBS since he states the receipt states a "60cm" frame.

    Thanks for everyone's help on this.
    Happy to hear that you were able to get rid of this.
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