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    Any how, it's all "whatever floats your boat" ... did 1 tour down the California coast,

    with the Downtube shifters on my '85ish Specialized Expedition , the next big trip , in '88
    I had already converted it over to SunTour ratchet Bar end shifters ..

    now even my classic road bike has bar end shifters ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Any how, it's all "whatever floats your boat" ... did 1 tour down the California coast,

    with the Downtube shifters on my '85ish Specialized Expedition , the next big trip , in '88
    I had already converted it over to SunTour ratchet Bar end shifters ..

    now even my classic road bike has bar end shifters ..
    I've done two cross country trips. First one with a tour company and the second with just my brother and I.
    First trip was with the downtube shifters and the second with these STI shifters. I'd like to do a third trip on my 65th birthday, Lord willing. It was hard to mount my handlebar bag with the STI's. Had to change to a much smaller bag to make it work. They broke twice on me and we had to limp to a bike shop to have them repaired. First the left one and then the right one. Hence, my desire to go back to downtubes.
    I've never used barends so can't comment on them, but how do you like them? Seems to me like it would be about the same amount of hand/body movement to shift as the downtubes, unless you rode in the drops all the time. What is it that makes you like them so much?

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    there have been simple work arounds, or at least they are simple for bike mechanics that also tour,

    to use a V brake noodle right where the STI cable exits the side of the Brifter,
    to re route the cable at 90 degrees, and thus make clearance for handlebar bags .
    but still clear your thumbs when gripping the lever-hoods

    as far as the reach, it depends on your size .. a small frame the difference is less than a tall size..

    advantage is the shifting is done while still holding onto the end of the handlebars ..
    so front wheel control is still best.

    no, I just reach down to the end of the bars , make the gear shift, then return my hands to the tops of the bars.


    now I ride my bikes with figure 8 bend trekking bars the most ,
    near and far does the same as Up and down
    as far as getting bent over a bit more, into headwinds..

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    I've never used barends so can't comment on them, but how do you like them? Seems to me like it would be about the same amount of hand/body movement to shift as the downtubes, unless you rode in the drops all the time. What is it that makes you like them so much?
    I'm a long time bar end shifter user, now using Campy Ergo, which have cables under the tape, and have been bulletproof reliable. If it weren't for the ease of just going with the flow, I'd probably still be using bar ends as I have since 1967.

    As far as STI goes, one nice thing is that Shimano finally joined Campy with cables under the tape, so at least the bag problem is resolved. I can't speak to their reliability, but overall haven't heard of many issues except getting gummy which is resolved with the WD-40.

    It's your call, the preference may depend on things like frame size, bar height, and the frequency of shifting. Based on personal experience, I find myself shifting the ergo bike much more often than the older one,. That may be the convenience of the Ergo, or it might be the finer gear spacing of 10s vs 7s.
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    Today I got the shifter greased up real good and started out on a ride. I didn't get 50 yards down the road before it broke again. Now it is stuck all the way over and want return. It was working fine last night while on the bike rack. That's just the kind of luck I've had with these shifters. Maybe I just got a pair of lemons, I don't know. The ones on my other bike seem to work fine, although I haven't had that bike very long. Time will tell. In the mean time I've got the shifters removed and am currently looking on ebay for a good set of aero brake levers and downtube shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    Today I got the shifter greased up real good and started out on a ride. I didn't get 50 yards down the road before it broke again. .
    IMO grease is serious overkill for these levers which have small light action parts. WD-40 is much more suited to the task, or if you want, a low viscosity oil like Mobil-1, thinned with some kerosene or mineral spirits.

    OTOH- possibly there's something mechanically wrong with the levers, that the grease masked for a short while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    Today I got the shifter greased up real good and started out on a ride. I didn't get 50 yards down the road before it broke again. Now it is stuck all the way over and want return. It was working fine last night while on the bike rack. That's just the kind of luck I've had with these shifters. Maybe I just got a pair of lemons, I don't know. The ones on my other bike seem to work fine, although I haven't had that bike very long. Time will tell. In the mean time I've got the shifters removed and am currently looking on ebay for a good set of aero brake levers and downtube shifters.
    Neither Ergos nor Doubletaps suffer this malady.

    Ergos can be run with a Shimano derailer via Shiftmate, or 10s ones can be hooked directly up to a Shimano derailer to shift 8s.

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