Stem- to DT-Mounted Shifters
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Stem- to DT-Mounted Shifters
'80 Nishiki Road Bike. The new quill stem (100 extension vs. the old 70) was ordered yesterday:
Nitto Technomic Road Quill Stem 26.0 in Tree Fort Bikes Stems (cat125)
Since the bars and tape will have to come off anyway - and on the advice of a lot of members here - I'll use the opportunity to replace the original "turkey leg" brake mechanisms with some newer Cane Creek hood-type mechs, also ordered yesterday:
Cane Creek SCR-5C Compact Aero Levers > Components > Brakes > Road and Tri Brake Levers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop
Since the above involves removing the bar tape, I've ordered new brown tape to match the new Brooks saddle (thanks, Jane).
And finally and while I've got it apart, why not convert to downtube (DT) shifters? Here is the only source I could find for a new DT clamp to make that change. . . . and it's the reason for this post:
Problem Solvers Downtube Shifter Mount > Components > Shifters | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop
The clamp linked to above is available from Jenson and is sold as "Shimano-compatible." But the existing stem-mounted clamp is marked "Sun Tour."
Will this be a simple swap? Or will I need to also change over the shift levers from Sun Tour to Shimano as well? I'm thinking some of you here may have already made this type of conversion, or at least know the difference (if any) between the Shimano- and Suntour-type mounts.
Thanks - here's the bike as it looks currently.
Nitto Technomic Road Quill Stem 26.0 in Tree Fort Bikes Stems (cat125)
Since the bars and tape will have to come off anyway - and on the advice of a lot of members here - I'll use the opportunity to replace the original "turkey leg" brake mechanisms with some newer Cane Creek hood-type mechs, also ordered yesterday:
Cane Creek SCR-5C Compact Aero Levers > Components > Brakes > Road and Tri Brake Levers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop
Since the above involves removing the bar tape, I've ordered new brown tape to match the new Brooks saddle (thanks, Jane).
And finally and while I've got it apart, why not convert to downtube (DT) shifters? Here is the only source I could find for a new DT clamp to make that change. . . . and it's the reason for this post:
Problem Solvers Downtube Shifter Mount > Components > Shifters | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop
The clamp linked to above is available from Jenson and is sold as "Shimano-compatible." But the existing stem-mounted clamp is marked "Sun Tour."
Will this be a simple swap? Or will I need to also change over the shift levers from Sun Tour to Shimano as well? I'm thinking some of you here may have already made this type of conversion, or at least know the difference (if any) between the Shimano- and Suntour-type mounts.
Thanks - here's the bike as it looks currently.
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A few things to think on. First it's likely that your handle bars have a 25.4 clamping diameter. The 26.0 clamped stem you are getting might be able to be tightened enough to hold the smaller bars but I would never recommend this. Nitto has made many of their stems in both clamp sizes. Did you measure the clamp before ordering?
While DT mounted shift lever bosses have a "standard" shape for brazed on ones the clamped on types don't have the need to be able to fit other brands of mounting bands. So usually they can/will be brand specific. The stem levers are even more likely brand specific. So I wouldn't expect the Sun Tour stem levers to fit onto a Shimano frame mount. Andy.
While DT mounted shift lever bosses have a "standard" shape for brazed on ones the clamped on types don't have the need to be able to fit other brands of mounting bands. So usually they can/will be brand specific. The stem levers are even more likely brand specific. So I wouldn't expect the Sun Tour stem levers to fit onto a Shimano frame mount. Andy.
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stem to friction bar end shifters would be a simpler swap.. as the downtube fitting for a housing stop is there.
just need the shifters and housing and cables
beercan shim stock may be enough to use a 26 stem and a 25,4 bar MTB stems are 25,4 so a simpler swap, , perhaps
quill adjustable angle ones offer adjustments.
adapters let you use more common stems Shop at Tree Fort Bikes using your favorite shop
just need the shifters and housing and cables
beercan shim stock may be enough to use a 26 stem and a 25,4 bar MTB stems are 25,4 so a simpler swap, , perhaps
quill adjustable angle ones offer adjustments.
adapters let you use more common stems Shop at Tree Fort Bikes using your favorite shop
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It can be done easily but I wonder if you really want to do this. If you are raising your handle bars then it will be harder to get to the shifters. You may want to look for some bar-cons.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to mount the shift levers from the stem shifters to the problem solvers clamp? If that's the case, it might work. But for less than the price of the problem solvers clamp, you could find some vintage suntour DT shifters. If you put a WTB post in the C&V for sale thread, you'll find what you need.
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I wasn't a proponent of your doing this restoration from the start, because the frame was too small and the costs weren't justified. So here we are again. Not beating you up, just feeling that you've demonstrated selective listening.
If the clamp area is indeed 25.4mm on your handlebar, you can use a soda can single wrap as a shim, as it's ~0.3mm thickness. Trim to fit.
Barcons will be a really nice solution, but you'll need to spend an additional $50 or so for a clean set (eBay), plus new housings (from the barcon to the downtube stop) and cables.
The downtube shifter of choice (for me, and there have been many threads on C&V on the best shifters) would be SunTour power shifters, which have the same ratcheting mechanism as the barcons. You can find these on eBay as well. I always keep a set or two in my parts bin for projects.
I agree with the others, fitting SunTour levers to a Shimano compatible mounting post - it never worked when I tried it. But it's been a long while now. PG
I wasn't a proponent of your doing this restoration from the start, because the frame was too small and the costs weren't justified. So here we are again. Not beating you up, just feeling that you've demonstrated selective listening.
If the clamp area is indeed 25.4mm on your handlebar, you can use a soda can single wrap as a shim, as it's ~0.3mm thickness. Trim to fit.
Barcons will be a really nice solution, but you'll need to spend an additional $50 or so for a clean set (eBay), plus new housings (from the barcon to the downtube stop) and cables.
The downtube shifter of choice (for me, and there have been many threads on C&V on the best shifters) would be SunTour power shifters, which have the same ratcheting mechanism as the barcons. You can find these on eBay as well. I always keep a set or two in my parts bin for projects.
I agree with the others, fitting SunTour levers to a Shimano compatible mounting post - it never worked when I tried it. But it's been a long while now. PG
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Duane,
I wasn't a proponent of your doing this restoration from the start, because the frame was too small and the costs weren't justified. So here we are again. Not beating you up, just feeling that you've demonstrated selective listening.
If the clamp area is indeed 25.4mm on your handlebar, you can use a soda can single wrap as a shim, as it's ~0.3mm thickness. Trim to fit.
Barcons will be a really nice solution, but you'll need to spend an additional $50 or so for a clean set (eBay), plus new housings (from the barcon to the downtube stop) and cables.
The downtube shifter of choice (for me, and there have been many threads on C&V on the best shifters) would be SunTour power shifters, which have the same ratcheting mechanism as the barcons. You can find these on eBay as well. I always keep a set or two in my parts bin for projects.
I agree with the others, fitting SunTour levers to a Shimano compatible mounting post - it never worked when I tried it. But it's been a long while now. PG
I wasn't a proponent of your doing this restoration from the start, because the frame was too small and the costs weren't justified. So here we are again. Not beating you up, just feeling that you've demonstrated selective listening.
If the clamp area is indeed 25.4mm on your handlebar, you can use a soda can single wrap as a shim, as it's ~0.3mm thickness. Trim to fit.
Barcons will be a really nice solution, but you'll need to spend an additional $50 or so for a clean set (eBay), plus new housings (from the barcon to the downtube stop) and cables.
The downtube shifter of choice (for me, and there have been many threads on C&V on the best shifters) would be SunTour power shifters, which have the same ratcheting mechanism as the barcons. You can find these on eBay as well. I always keep a set or two in my parts bin for projects.
I agree with the others, fitting SunTour levers to a Shimano compatible mounting post - it never worked when I tried it. But it's been a long while now. PG
Regarding the DT shifters. I called Jenson. It appears that the "Problem Solver" shifter clamp will mate only (or best) to Shimano shifters. So I ordered a set of those as well. They were advertised as fitting up to an 8-speed sprocket cluster (mine is a 7-speed). But I'm afraid they're of the indexed type. So I'm not sure f they'll be compatible with the Nishiki's friction type system. The Jenson sales rep assured me I could return them for store credit if they don't work. And if they don't, I'll certainly take your advice to source the Sun Tour power shifters. Thanks.
Regarding the handlebar mounts: The quill stem I ordered is indeed a 26. So I ordered the special shim to adapt it to the smaller 25.4 handlebar on my bike. But I'll remember the excellent beer can shim idea, since it will be a great excuse to have a beer while I work. Best. DB
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U might even just set it up with straight bars , the Falcon thumb shifters are cheap at $15 a pair including housing and cables
already buying levers, get a different kind.
and there are lots of low cost straight bars in 1" center bulge stem may be fine ..
hybrid is kool.
already buying levers, get a different kind.
and there are lots of low cost straight bars in 1" center bulge stem may be fine ..
hybrid is kool.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to mount the shift levers from the stem shifters to the problem solvers clamp? If that's the case, it might work. But for less than the price of the problem solvers clamp, you could find some vintage suntour DT shifters. If you put a WTB post in the C&V for sale thread, you'll find what you need.
So, to be safe, on the collective advice of you good folks . . . and to avoid stalling out on this little project, I've also ordered a set of Sun Tour DT shifters off of Ebay,
Vintage Suntour Bicycle Downtube Power Shifters | eBay
Awesome. Feel the love . . .
EDIT:
Duh - just realized I also have an '88 Schwinn World Sport with INDEXED, Shimano, stem mounted shifters. I'll just convert that bike as well, using the new indexed DT shifters, and will put the Suntour shifters on the Nishiki. I love it when a non-plan comes together!
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So, the "Problem Solvers" DT clamp is on the Schwinn, along with the new indexed shift levers. It all works great, EXCEPT that the clamp forces the levers a bit far out from the downtube. An aesthetic thing, mostly. It all works great and it took me about 5 minutes to realize that, counter-intuitive as it may be, it's easier to reach down to the downtube to shift than it is to try to manipulate the stem-mounted shifters . . . . which I found rather unwieldly. Photo of new setup below:
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The SunTour power shifters are in as well, and I'm looking forward to installing them on the Nishiki. Gotta say I enjoy working on these old steel bikes. I work on old motorcycles also, but major motorbike projects usually take a few days, where bicycle projects tend to take a few hours at most. Perfect for someone with ADD who enjoys instant gratification. . . . :-)
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It appears that the "Problem Solver" shifter clamp will mate only (or best) to Shimano shifters. So I ordered a set of those as well. They were advertised as fitting up to an 8-speed sprocket cluster (mine is a 7-speed). But I'm afraid they're of the indexed type. So I'm not sure f they'll be compatible with the Nishiki's friction type system.
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This won't affect the width, but isn't the clamp fastener supposed to be beneath the downtube. DT clamp upside down and levers reversed?
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No, it's mounted on the seatpost where it belongs. :-)
The clamping bolt can be mounted on the downtube either toward the rider - as I did, on purpose - or away from the rider, where it looks better. From either side, though, it can be flipped over. In any case, the clamp itself doesn't influence shifting, it only acts as an anchoring point for the independent shift levers.
The clamping bolt can be mounted on the downtube either toward the rider - as I did, on purpose - or away from the rider, where it looks better. From either side, though, it can be flipped over. In any case, the clamp itself doesn't influence shifting, it only acts as an anchoring point for the independent shift levers.
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This will also do the job, with a more traditional aesthetic:
Norma 28 6 Stainless Clamp on Downtube Shifters Bosses Adapter Index Conversion | eBay
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Those clamp on shifter bands are nice, but expensive. If you are patient, you can score a Shimano DT clamp on shifter set, I got one this winter for $9.18+$4.75 shipping. The clamp was perfect and even if I wasn't going to use the 6 speed shifters, it would be worth it as any shimano DT shifter will bolt right on. You've got a functioning set of shifters, so there is no hurry to get anything. Keep you eyes open on ebay, look for "clamp shifters", "down tube shifters", "6 speed shifters", etc. Something will pop up.
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Those clamp on shifter bands are nice, but expensive. If you are patient, you can score a Shimano DT clamp on shifter set, I got one this winter for $9.18+$4.75 shipping. The clamp was perfect and even if I wasn't going to use the 6 speed shifters, it would be worth it as any shimano DT shifter will bolt right on. You've got a functioning set of shifters, so there is no hurry to get anything. Keep you eyes open on ebay, look for "clamp shifters", "down tube shifters", "6 speed shifters", etc. Something will pop up.
I like the downtube shifters. Unlike the stem-mounted original where your elbow has to lift up and out in an awkward manner, the downtubes require only a natural downward movement; it's a lot more intuitive. And maybe it's just a difference in the quality of the shifters, but no "trimming" (backing off a mm or so after achieving a shift change) is necessary. It seems to lock in by itself, even though it's non-indexed. Anyway, glad I did it, and it was a great ride. DB
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