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Old 04-03-14, 12:00 AM   #1
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Wheel Lacing questions: 2x 24Hole track wheel!

Hello guys, I have a zipp 404 tubular 58mm wheelset. i am upgrading the rear track hubs to american classic hubs.

I have ordered spokes, and the hub. Everything is in my possesion. However, I have only come across successful 3x wheel build tutorials. and i have yet to find or establish a peace of mind on how to approach the 2x wheel lacing. Keep in mind this will be my first wheel build, and i will have my mechanic go over and fix as needed.

I want to know is it worth the learning process of building the wheel or getting it assembled by a professional?

I personally want to learn, however i don't feel confident as too the lack of information for a 2x 24hole lacing set up.

Is there a tutorial for 2x?

Is there anyone here willing to help me learn how to lace 2x 24 hole track hubs?

Thank you, in advanced .
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Old 04-03-14, 04:46 AM   #2
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Our illustrious mrrabbit has a spoke length calculating spread sheet.
https://www.mrrabbit.net/

On one of the sheets, he has a "feasibility" chart regarding crosses vs spoke count. (T chart)
A 24-2X is OK.

I'm contemplating a front wheel build using 2x instead of my typical 3X and kind of have a bit of trouble pulling the trigger.
Part of that is the current wheel on the bike is perfectly serviceable. It just isn't my build
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2X is exactly the same as 3X except you only go over (under) one instead of two before going under (over) the next. Then reach for the obvious rim hole assigned to spokes pointing (trailing/leading) in the right direction. If your spokes are the right length, it shouldn't be a problem.
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2X is exactly the same as 3X except you only go over (under) one instead of two before going under (over) the next. Then reach for the obvious rim hole assigned to spokes pointing (trailing/leading) in the right direction. If your spokes are the right length, it shouldn't be a problem.
+1, it's not really any different
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+1, it's not really any different
I will attempt to lace it, however in still rather confused. Again never laced a wheel before and I am still studying the terminology of the build !
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First of all 3x isn't possible on 24h because it has the spokes go to holes beyond the hub's center line.

Depending on the build technique there's absolutely no difference building 2x vs. 3x. If using the common newbie method of attaching pulling (or pushing) spokes on both flanges before the first crossed spoke, it's all the same, except that you'll be going to a rim hole 2 holes (1 less cross) closer.
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First of all 3x isn't possible on 24h because it has the spokes go to holes beyond the hub's center line.

Depending on the build technique there's absolutely no difference building 2x vs. 3x. If using the common newbie method of attaching pulling (or pushing) spokes on both flanges before the first crossed spoke, it's all the same, except that you'll be going to a rim hole 2 holes (1 less cross) closer.
Exactly that's why I am going to do 2x, I will keep you guys updated with progress. I'm sure I will be filled with questions and have challenges.

My spokes just came in today, and I still need to fish a nipple out of the rim. Any advice for fishing alloy nipples? ( I'm upgrading to brass nipples or stainless steel)
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Exactly that's why I am going to do 2x, I will keep you guys updated with progress. I'm sure I will be filled with questions and have challenges.

My spokes just came in today, and I still need to fish a nipple out of the rim. Any advice for fishing alloy nipples? ( I'm upgrading to brass nipples or stainless steel)
I just turn the rim with the valve hole pointing down and shake it. The nipple usually falls out. It doesn't work as well with all the spokes in place, however. The nipple can get caught on the other nipples, etc. So wait to try until you have the wheel completely disassembled.
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Any advice for fishing alloy nipples?
I've used a piece of unwound guitar string in the past. Worked like a charm.
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I've used a piece of unwound guitar string in the past. Worked like a charm.
So the news is, I fished out the nipples using a metal skewer and patiently tilted the wheel and got it out. I couldnt use the shake technique because i have tubular wheels and the excess glue prevented them from falling out.

And, I laced the wheel with ease. Just waiting to tension the wheel and glue on a fresh tire to go onto the track!
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