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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    You have to get used to fietsbob...
    Very true. I encourage you not to judge too harshly or quickly, Duane. You have to get to know him and his perspective. He reminds me of my father-in-law, a man I came to admire greatly over time.

    Plus, when Bob takes a shot - it's usually a shot that a reasonable person would've taken, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
    I always begin with the headset and bottom bracket bearings.....
    Thanks, this is valuable information, I will follow it next time

    Lube the nipples?!?!? Never heard of it.

    Bar tape and waxing after the Retul I did not forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Using a book from the library is a flame on the internet?
    Yes. Because getting a book is not as easy as get an answer from BF. Esp, in this particular topic. I nave nothing against fietsbob, I might consider his advise before on other subjects, and found them have good info.

    However, here I did not ask how to install this, or that. I asked in what order, and this is not as intuitive as could seem to a person, who never build bike himself.

    In the light of the above discussion the advice to "get a book" could be ignored. "Get a book" is universal response that can be given to 99.97% of the BF discussions. Others provided me with better answers.

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    This smells trolly.

    I have been doing this bike wrenching thing on a professional level for 30 years, and am known as a fast worker, and I don't even need to stop and ask questions on the internet before I wrench, but even so, 4 hours for a complete custom assembly, especially in a shop setting would be a push. Flat grinding the ends of ALL the housings after being cut....tension balancing the wheels, and tuning everything to the point that I can send it out the door without the customer needing to return for tweaks...... I usually set aside the better part of an evening so I can work in peace with these and 4 hours would still be fast work.

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    Certainly getting the cables just how I want them takes a lot of time. But OP said he was keaping them longer than desired pending the fitting results. That would save me a bunch of time. Also I start with my own self-built wheels, so they are right when the build fets underway and don't need any tuning up. And if no tape job needed also pending the fitting, the elapsed time seems more reasonable. Benefit of the doubt!
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    Brakes before fork?
    1.Fork / HS.
    2. BB
    3. Standard build

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gege-Bubu View Post
    I did it!

    This is before:


    This is 4 hrs 37 min later:



    I looked up the internet only once, because got mental block about what brake is front and what is rear. I left the housings intentionally longer than needed, will trim them after the retul fitting.

    I did not do any fitting today, just estimated the seat height to be the same as on my road bike. Then I took a ride for about an hour, and it was fun, got average speed over 20 mph. Could be faster, but my seat bolt became loose, and I had to stop twice to tighten them with my fingers, because did not take any tools with me.

    I want to thank you all for answering my questions

    I liked it, will do it again any time I have an opportunity for a new bike.
    Looks good..... and husky too. Glad it was fun for you.

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    Looks good from here!

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    Whaaat??!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gege-Bubu View Post
    I did it! ...I took a ride for about an hour, and it was fun, got average speed over 20 mph. Could be faster...
    Sounds pretty sporty to me. Averaging over 20 mph for an hour's shakedown? Hmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    ... for the most part putting together a bike is really just about hanging the parts on the frame in some sensible order.
    No, the biggest part of putting a bike together from absolute scratch is getting parts that are compatible with the frame and with each other. Another is using grease where appropriate and correct torque. What you do after parts are installed is the most critical, so an assembly is best judged after at least a few hundred miles.
    There's no such thing as a routine repair.

    Don't tell me what "should" be - either it is, it isn't, or do something about it.

    If you think I'm being blunt take it as a compliment - if I thought you were too weak to handle the truth or a strong opinion I would not bother.

    Please take the time to post clearly so we can answer quickly. All lowercase and multiple typos makes for a hard read. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gege-Bubu View Post


    ..I took a ride for about an hour, and it was fun, got average speed over 20 mph. Could be faster, but my seat bolt became loose, and I had to stop twice to tighten them with my fingers, because did not take any tools with me.
    20+ mph for an hour with no warm-up, a seat that was finger tight and two stops? Better call the Olympic committee or check your bike computer.
    There's no such thing as a routine repair.

    Don't tell me what "should" be - either it is, it isn't, or do something about it.

    If you think I'm being blunt take it as a compliment - if I thought you were too weak to handle the truth or a strong opinion I would not bother.

    Please take the time to post clearly so we can answer quickly. All lowercase and multiple typos makes for a hard read. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cny-bikeman View Post
    20+ mph for an hour with no warm-up, a seat that was finger tight and two stops? Better call the Olympic committee or check your bike computer.
    I assume his average speed is besed on time in motion only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Using a book from the library is a flame on the internet?
    No, but this was:

    ". . . . install the f'ing Fork & BB . you want mom to tie you shoes for you too?"

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    oh well , water under the bridge , so littyle shop classes are left after no chils left behind took to spending time selling tests to public schools

    the kid figures it out ,

    so easy to ask questiones here in the internet age , maybe common sense will become even more rare rare ..


    as is the golden rule in thinking about the underclasses .



    how do I clean up my Mac Hard drive? will the latest OSX work with an old G3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    I assume his average speed is besed on time in motion only.
    Well, no smiley face but I was speaking tongue in cheek - though stopping and starting will cut into one's average speed quite a bit anyway. Takes a while and extra effort to accelerate back up to 20 mph.
    There's no such thing as a routine repair.

    Don't tell me what "should" be - either it is, it isn't, or do something about it.

    If you think I'm being blunt take it as a compliment - if I thought you were too weak to handle the truth or a strong opinion I would not bother.

    Please take the time to post clearly so we can answer quickly. All lowercase and multiple typos makes for a hard read. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    oh well , water under the bridge , so littyle shop classes are left after no chils left behind took to spending time selling tests to public schools

    the kid figures it out ,

    so easy to ask questiones here in the internet age , maybe common sense will become even more rare rare ..


    as is the golden rule in thinking about the underclasses .



    how do I clean up my Mac Hard drive? will the latest OSX work with an old G3?
    See what I mean about incomprehensible?

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    What do you want for nothin' ? coupons for a discount on nothin'

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    Hey very nice job and a rather nice bike. You where pointed toward water walked there and drank good job. There is nothing wrong about about looking for info advice on the net or in books and doing it youself. Most shops would charge $150+ for this buildup and half just wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    See what I mean about incomprehensible?
    oh well , water under the bridge , so littyle shop classes are left after no chils left behind took to spending time selling tests to public schools

    Children in the 1950-70s in public school had more vocational classes available to them, where they acquired real life skills, like electrical and metal working. The "No Child Left Behind" and other such laws swerved only to create a cottage industry for testing standards, and the costs were offset by taking away vocational training.

    the kid figures it out ,

    the child, left with no practical teaching and the requirement to apply problem solving and common sense, resorts to asking for help...

    so easy to ask questiones here in the internet age , maybe common sense will become even more rare rare ..

    The obvious recourse being to ask for anonymous help on forums, such as this one, but the case isn't limited to bike assembly, as it has become true for medicines, self diagnosis, lawn care, cooking, and a host of other areas where we used to learn from our extended families and school...

    as is the golden rule in thinking about the underclasses .

    okay, so this one is more difficult, but I think that it has to do with the state of dependency fostered by decades of "great society" programs...

    how do I clean up my Mac Hard drive? will the latest OSX work with an old G3?

    an example given in the world of personal computers and how to maintain compatibility between rapidly evolving software and hardware platforms...

    Did this help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
    Did this help?
    It wasn't needed, I knew what he was ranting about. But, as your translation showed, he isn't big on coherent writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    See what I mean about incomprehensible?
    No kidding. mindblowing.gif

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