Speaking of the bad (factory) new-tire sidewall...
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Speaking of the bad (factory) new-tire sidewall...
What say you?
Salesperson at the lbs blankfacedly declaimed this a sidewall cut--for a good while. It aint. Why do people hold firmly to their being right despite their own eyes?
I've'a good reason--in my opinion--my not noticing this at the pos.
Salesperson at the lbs blankfacedly declaimed this a sidewall cut--for a good while. It aint. Why do people hold firmly to their being right despite their own eyes?
I've'a good reason--in my opinion--my not noticing this at the pos.
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What do you think it is?
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Thanks--I wanted to ask the same question, but didn't want to look ignorant . . .
EDIT: Well, OP obviously thinks it's a manufacturing defect, for which he should receive a replacement tire; but I can't draw that conclusion from the picture. My knowledge of tire construction is skimpy at best.
EDIT: Well, OP obviously thinks it's a manufacturing defect, for which he should receive a replacement tire; but I can't draw that conclusion from the picture. My knowledge of tire construction is skimpy at best.
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i would remove the tire and inspect the cut(s) closely and see if they continue into the bead, if so, it would be convincing evidence, to me at least, that it is most likely a manufacturing defect.
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Wow. Blasted by the first two posters.
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[QUOTE=dprayvd;16856764]Wow. Blasted by the first two posters.
Sorry, sorry--no blast intended--pretty well must be manufacturing defect or sidewall cut, but I lack the expertise to determine which. HH's idea above sounds good. ........
Sorry, sorry--no blast intended--pretty well must be manufacturing defect or sidewall cut, but I lack the expertise to determine which. HH's idea above sounds good. ........
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Fabric tear.
Could be from a cut at the tread, or a pinch/snakebite (look for a dent in the rim). Otherwise, especially is a new tire, it's a defect (and I rarely call things defective)
Could be from a cut at the tread, or a pinch/snakebite (look for a dent in the rim). Otherwise, especially is a new tire, it's a defect (and I rarely call things defective)
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I was thinking of vandalism--knife cuts, perhaps? The cut on the left is parallel with the ridges of the sidewall material, but the one on the right is not . . .
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At some point, hopefully, someone will explain why it is so obviously a defect and not a cut. I've never had a tire with a defective sidewall so I'm happy to learn. Were you able to convince the LBS that it was defective? It does look like the rim is a little bent above the left cut/defect.
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It looks as if the casing was cut even before it went into the curing press at the tire factory. Looks to me as if somebody made a bad cut when they were laying up the tire casing on the tire building machine.
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I'm neither psychic, nor do I have the tire in my hand. So, how new is it? and is there evidence of an exterior cause?
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i have changed my mind
its a split in the rubber
at a casing seam
the main question in my mind is
how many miles are on this tire
because i would bet that cracks in the rubber covering the casing
happen to many many tires
especially skinny ones
do a study
look closely at the sidewalls of every skinny tire you see today
and i bet most of them have similar features
and any flaw you need to magnify 4X to see
isnt much of a flaw
its a split in the rubber
at a casing seam
the main question in my mind is
how many miles are on this tire
because i would bet that cracks in the rubber covering the casing
happen to many many tires
especially skinny ones
do a study
look closely at the sidewalls of every skinny tire you see today
and i bet most of them have similar features
and any flaw you need to magnify 4X to see
isnt much of a flaw
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It appears that the outside end of the "cut" has rubber from the molding process spanning the joint in the fabric. Again, how many miles?
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i have changed my mind
its a split in the rubber
at a casing seam
the main question in my mind is
how many miles are on this tire
because i would bet that cracks in the rubber covering the casing
happen to many many tires
especially skinny ones
do a study
look closely at the sidewalls of every skinny tire you see today
and i bet most of them have similar features
and any flaw you need to magnify 4X to see
isnt much of a flaw
its a split in the rubber
at a casing seam
the main question in my mind is
how many miles are on this tire
because i would bet that cracks in the rubber covering the casing
happen to many many tires
especially skinny ones
do a study
look closely at the sidewalls of every skinny tire you see today
and i bet most of them have similar features
and any flaw you need to magnify 4X to see
isnt much of a flaw
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