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    Creaky handlebars/headset/brifters??? (Hard to pinpoint, sounds like everything)

    So I started riding a little earlier in the day after work & haven't needed my headlight (and mount) as much so I just removed it. I assumed that it was the flashlight mount that was creaking but I think it's the whole handlebar/headset/brifter assembly.

    It's a SuperSix EVO 3 so it's got carbon steerer & I'm pretty sure bars are alloy and then Ultegra 6800 brifters.

    I asked a guru who I do local rides with and he strided my bike gripped & wrestled my handlebars & said my headset's fine. So I asked if there's anything I could lube & he said, front brake mount hinge & that's it. (I figure it's something that wouldn't bother him).

    It's not a big deal but any ideas??? TIA

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    determining the whereabouts of creaks is, IME, a process of elimination. be inventive and think of ways to eliminate multiple possibilities with a few simple tests.

    the ones i use are done on the bike. many while moving.
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    Or you take the shot *** approach and dissemble everything, clean surfaces, prep surfaces as needed and reassemble. Andy.

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    Weird spell/word check. "***" is "***". I'll never understand this computer. Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
    Weird spell/word check. "***" is "***". I'll never understand this computer. Andy.
    I just found a new quote for my signature.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
    Weird spell/word check. "***" is "***". I'll never understand this computer. Andy.

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    Glad I could be of help/inspiration.

    But as I am serious I'll try a third time. (And hope that this time I'm not beating my head and expecting a different outcome). "***" is a three letter word for a firearm. Now let's see if I'm insane. Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew r stewart View Post
    glad i could be of help/inspiration.

    But as i am serious i'll try a third time. (and hope that this time i'm not beating my head and expecting a different outcome). "***" is a three letter word for a firearm. Now let's see if i'm insane. Andy.
    ***?
    WHAT THAT'S NOT EVEN A BAD WORD. ****ing bull****
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
    Weird spell/word check. "***" is "***". I'll never understand this computer. Andy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDogg View Post
    ***?
    WHAT THAT'S NOT EVEN A BAD WORD. ****ing bull****
    ghun is a "bad word' in many people's minds. i discovered this censoring anomaly just the other day. sort of surprised me, but, i guess, it shouldn't have...

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    So I should take a *** to my handlebars. Fire a couple rounds from my *** into the headset. Shoot the brifters at *** point and then disassemble and clean my *** & put it away for another day?

    Is that what you're suggesting I do??

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    No. "Taking a shot 'fire arm' approach" (and let's see if this attempt makes it past the censors) is a reference to hit all points that might matter at the same time. I could have said " to use a wide paint brush" and meant much the same. Perhaps the history of sayings is different in S Cal then in the NE

    The opposite might have been "take a laser approach".

    Whatever... Many times one can't or will not have the patience to find out the one clamping, the one spot where the noise is coming from. So while trying to find the one point of noise is a worthy goal some will just do the entire assembly instead. Take apart the bar/stem clamp, the stem/steerer clamp, the headset, the cable ends, the front QR skewer, and the other clamped and assembled parts that are the front of the bike. This massive approach will often include the offending part. One might not be able to say afterwards which part it was but the goal of a quiet running bike is achieved just the same.

    BTW BITD we did this every Winter. Take apart the whole bike. Of course back then there was about 1/4 the number of parts and the tools needed were far fewer then now. But this is the cost we pay for the features and specs that we buy these days. Andy.

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    Ok, so I'm resurrecting this old thread because it still isn't gone. I've tried a couple different stems but it's still there.

    What I'm sure of now is that it's at the steerer stem. I've had 3 different stems on and they all do it so I'm not sure what's up.

    It's especially (and sometimes ONLY) noticeable when I get up out of the saddle. As I rock back & forth, it starts creaking. ("ticking" really) I have everything set about as perfectly as anyone could do. Nothing too tight, nothing too loose. Preload is perfect (enough for no play, enough to allow free swinging of front wheel left & right).

    Again, it's carbon steerer, carbon spacers, aluminum stem. I don't want to put any grease in there & I made sure everything's clean. Maybe carbon paste?? (Though I think the general agreement was keep the whole stack clean & dry??)

    Any other thoughts/ideas???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
    Glad I could be of help/inspiration.

    But as I am serious I'll try a third time. (And hope that this time I'm not beating my head and expecting a different outcome). "***" is a three letter word for a firearm. Now let's see if I'm insane. Andy.
    Imagine how Woody Allen must have felt

    Yes, the words describing sidearms are banned here, use Gub instead.

    Auto censors are strange things. However had you known that shotgun is one word the censor would have let it through.
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    Dude, FB......I saw a reply from you & was thinking...."Ya, FB's got an answer for sure!".


    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Imagine how Woody Allen must have felt

    Yes, the words describing sidearms are banned here, use Gub instead.

    Auto censors are strange things. You can't even name a football offensive set where the quarterback isn't under center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loimpact View Post
    Dude, FB......I saw a reply from you & was thinking...."Ya, FB's got an answer for sure!".
    You're essentially on my ignore list. I was only having some fun at the expense of a friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    You're essentially on my ignore list. I was only having some fun at the expense of a friend.


    Trying to remember what/when I did something to get under your skin???

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    Quote Originally Posted by loimpact View Post


    Trying to remember what/when I did something to get under your skin???
    Nothing. I'm running a bit low on blood sugar, and had you confused with a someone with a similar name.

    The post I responded to was similar to what he would have written, including the emoticon, so I took it as from him.

    Anyway, I HATE "creak threads. It's a long slow diagnostic process which is hard enough with the bike in my hands, and slow torture trying to solve third hand.

    That said, carbon steerers, especially tall ones, are very prone to flexing. Any time you have a bunch of tight fitting parts strung along a flexing beam, you'll get creak. There are two approaches; you can use oil to let them continue to slip, but quietly. Or you can try to stabilize them and end the movement.

    In the past, I considered steerer flex to be relatively benign, but based on some discoveries by Trek, where abrasion has led to failure, I'd try to see what I can.

    Pull it apart. If you have an integrated headset bed it in something like non-abrasive carbon prep, also apply some prep where the centering cone will be. Then use a bit of grease everywhere else. The object is to limit movement to places you want it (between metal or plastic parts, but not at the steerer) and with luck you won't be hearing it anymore.

    BTW- if you have a tall spacer stack, try using fewer wider spacers and grease because they slide on one another.

    I hope some of this helps.
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    Ah, ok, cool. Not that I couldn't have but because of Chain-L, you're easy for me to remember.

    And, thanks. Yes, indeed it does help. I will probably do just that and pull apart the whole headset. Cannondale does it pretty neat anyway so I wouldn't mind seeing how it all goes together top to bottom. The wife will especially like seeing the front of the bike apart in the middle of the living room.

    If/when I do find out precisely what it is I will definitely report here so folks know. My current suspicion is that I have all stock spacers in and might carbon paste or wax between those. That's a lot of carbon surfaces stacked together that might be giving me the grief.

    (shrug)

    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    Nothing. I'm running a bit low on blood sugar, and had you confused with a someone with a similar name.

    The post I responded to was similar to what he would have written, including the emoticon, so I took it as from him.

    Anyway, I HATE "creak threads. It's a long slow diagnostic process which is hard enough with the bike in my hands, and slow torture trying to solve third hand.

    That said, carbon steerers, especially tall ones, are very prone to flexing. Any time you have a bunch of tight fitting parts strung along a flexing beam, you'll get creak. There are two approaches; you can use oil to let them continue to slip, but quietly. Or you can try to stabilize them and end the movement.

    In the past, I considered steerer flex to be relatively benign, but based on some discoveries by Trek, where abrasion has led to failure, I'd try to see what I can.

    Pull it apart. If you have an integrated headset bed it in something like non-abrasive carbon prep, also apply some prep where the centering cone will be. Then use a bit of grease everywhere else. The object is to limit movement to places you want it (between metal or plastic parts, but not at the steerer) and with luck you won't be hearing it anymore.

    BTW- if you have a tall spacer stack, try using fewer wider spacers and grease because they slide on one another.

    I hope some of this helps.

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    Front skewer, check it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robabeatle View Post
    Front skewer, check it?
    Sorry, yes, if I hadn't prefaced it before, that's what I was doing the last couple months.....checking EVERYTHING. Seatpost, both skewers, water bottle cages.....it's DEFINITELY right at the steerer/stem clamp.

    I know that folks often misplace these sounds so it's worth mentioning for sure.

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