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    @FBinNY asked about old Kingsbridge (his brand) of cone wrenches. I don't seem to have them any more, but I still have and use these.



    From top to bottom: Sugino, Bicycle Research, Shimano. I probably got these in the late 70's or early 80's. Boy, just writing that must make me sound old.
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    Many of us are old in this way, having tools bought new whose brands are long gone. I have fender punches, spoke elbow benders, axle thread chasers and so many more tools in my basement that I won't get rid of. Andy.

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    I believe the oldest bike specific tools I have are a pair of Campagnolo double end cone wrenches (13/14 and 15/16). I got them in the mid-90's as part of the deal when I bought a used '83 Trek 400 from a guy in my bike club who was giving up riding for medical reasons but I'm sure they date from at least the '80's.

    I still have some really "obsolete" tools including a Park OBW-1 offset cone-type wrench used to center single pivot brake calipers, a Park BT3 used to bend brake caliper arms to toe-in the pads and a Park CCW-2, the 14/15/16 mm crank fixing bolt wrench. I haven't used any of these in many years but I'm not going to throw them away.

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    Had to look ..

    2 Campag 13/14

    2 sugino 14/17,15/16,

    a 15/16 & 11/12 Kingsbridge

    & 2 bicycle research stepped 13,14/15,16

    My touring kit had a thicker 15/32 combo. headset\ pedal .. useful for boxing at airports & Amtrak

    found a 15/36.. works on the Brompton headset



    Rollfast adjustable spoke wrench .. better than the neo Park version ..
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    I still have my Campagnolo crank extractor. In fact, it's the only one I use! I probably got it in around 1981.

    I had a Campagnolo peanut butter wrench, but it was in my tool kit when my bike was stolen. I recovered the bike but not the tool kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    I still have my Campagnolo crank extractor. In fact, it's the only one I use! I probably got it in around 1981.

    I had a Campagnolo peanut butter wrench, but it was in my tool kit when my bike was stolen. I recovered the bike but not the tool kit.
    It is an interesting topic- is it the bike or the stuff you have on the bike that's the bigger loss. As a hobby builder I ride almost only my creations. Many might think that I would morn their loss. But I also know I can build another to replace the victim. But the tools, self made bag mounts, the lights that are modded to fit, the Ergo shifters with the 9spd index gear that I can't find these days... These are more the loss.

    I haven't had a bike lost to theft for a long time. As long as we're living in the past let me tell you the story.

    In 1979 I lived in a upstairs studio apartment in the groovy downtown section of Rochester. I had three bikes. A Euro made folding 3 spd and two self made frames built up. I had taken off the year old one it's seat and pedals to install on the newer one, made while attending the last East coast Eisentraut frame class in Rutland VT. There was a "break in" (likely a door lock not set) and the two functional bikes were taken from my life. The Eisentraut class bike that had only 200 miles on it and the folder. It was obvious that the thieves took what they could ride away on. I was pissed and soon moved into another apartment.

    Over the years I wondered what I would do if I ever came across the bikes. Being in the retail LBS business I have recovered a small number of stolen bikes. It always makes me feel Karmicly good when I have. So fast forward 30+ years later and (after 25 years away from my home town then having moved back) one night I'm doing book work with the local recycler bike kitchen's slide show of bike for sale running in the back round. My peripheral vision caught a couple of colors on the screen. No it wasn't the self made bike but the 3 spd folder. I went down to the recycler's shop a couple of days later and gladly bought the bike back.

    This experience rekindled my thinking about what I would do if confronted with my Eisentraut building class bike again. After it was stolen I had the mind I would fight for it if I ever could. Now I'm a 5' 6" guy... Not the best path to a long life. But the loss did hurt me. I did move on as I built replacements after replacement. But know I'm not sure what I'd do if I saw my old bike again. I think I'd likely press the issue and hope my maturity would win out, and I'd get an old long lost friend back. Perhaps it's best that I don't get the chance. Andy.

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    Thanks for the story, Andy.
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    I have a VAR 84/1 cable cutter (I have no idea what the 84/1 means) that I must have bought new in 1969 or 1970. I haven't used it exclusively for all that time but it still makes a nice clean cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    bicycle research stepped 13,14/15,16
    I bought a couple of similar cone wrenches when I first started working on bikes in the mid-80's. They were so soft and so imprecise I replaced them after the first use.

    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    touring kit had a thicker 15/32 combo. headset\ pedal .. useful for boxing at airports & Amtrak .
    Park made a similar tool (RW1) that was a short but relatively thick 15/32 take-along pedal/headset wrench. I have one I used to take on my Co-Motion S&S travel bike. I believe they also made it in 15/36 (RW2?) format. Are these what you have? BTW, neither is currently shown on Park's web site.

    Edited: to make it look right.
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    Yea they dropped making them .. the 15-36 was a used find , I bought the 15-32 in my 'youth'.

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    Bicycle tool porn:







    I'll take one.........I don't even have anything to use in on.

    I still have a couple cone wrenches and a BB spanner I used on my Stingray in the 60's....I may have an old chain breaker from then also.I have no idea what brand they are....What ever I could afford with coke bottle money...

    That same Stingray I got for Christmas when I was 6......Instead of going outside and learning to ride it,I took it to the garage and used my dad's tools to take it apart....Always liked tinkering......
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    Back in 1979 I was given a Univega Viva Sport as a graduation present. First really good bike I'd ever ridden. It was a revelation. I bought a crank puller that summer. not sure why that was the special tool of choice, but it's still in use.

    I have a multiwrench that came with one of the three Royce-Union 10 speeds my Dad bought and assembled Christmas '73. It fits no fasteners ever made
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    Great pictures, @Booger1.

    I have to dig up and take a picture of my Sturmey Archer cone wrench!
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    You can still find the RW-1 at nashbar . RW-2 you might find now and then on EBay . Parktools stop making sometime back .
    Quote Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
    2 bicycle research stepped 13,14/15,16
    I bought a couple of similar cone wrenches when I first started working on bikes in the mid-80's. they were so soft and so imprecise I replaced them after the first use.


    Park made a similar tool (RW1) that was a short but relatively thick 15/32 take-along pedal/headset wrench. I have one I used to take on my Co-Motion S&S travel bike. I believe they also made it in 15/36 (RW2?) format. Are these what you have? BTW, neither is currently shown on Park's web site.[/QUOTE] I did had one of each in my saddle bag witch got stolen with my bike a few years back .
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    My oldest bike specific tool I own is the third hand I bought back in the mid 70's. Most young guys don't know what that is, or how to use it.
    If you don't know the way, you shouldn't be going there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leob1 View Post
    My oldest bike specific tool I own is the third hand I bought back in the mid 70's. Most young guys don't know what that is, or how to use it.
    Was that the one that looked like a paper clip?

    I had one like that but I don't know what happened to it. I have a much fancier Park 3rd hand but it's not nearly as fast or convenient to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeman715 View Post
    Park made a similar tool (RW1) that was a short but relatively thick 15/32 take-along pedal/headset wrench.
    They were drilled to fit under a water bottle cage on mountain bikes. During the threaded headset days they could be useful if your adjustment went wonky but you'd still need another wrench.

    My all time favorite was a stamped piece of steel that had cut outs for a couple size cone wrenches, various other things and even a bottom bracket lockring hook. I had two or three of them and I don't think I ever bought one - they were gimmys. I'm not sure I ever used anything but the lockring hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
    Bicycle tool porn:







    I'll take one.........I don't even have anything to use in on.

    I still have a couple cone wrenches and a BB spanner I used on my Stingray in the 60's....I may have an old chain breaker from then also.I have no idea what brand they are....What ever I could afford with coke bottle money...

    That same Stingray I got for Christmas when I was 6......Instead of going outside and learning to ride it,I took it to the garage and used my dad's tools to take it apart....Always liked tinkering......
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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    @FBinNY asked about old Kingsbridge (his brand) of cone wrenches. I don't seem to have them any more, but I still have and use these.
    Did he ever select a winner ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
    Bicycle tool porn:


    I used to have one that I bought a couple years out of high school. Ended up selling it, minus the wrenches & dishing tool.
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    I have that old wire third hand. Not my favorite tool. One shop I worked at had a VAR third hand. Now that was a serious tool. I really miss VAR tools. They made (still make?) some well designed and heavily constructed tools.

    i happen to like the Park dropout straightening tool better than the Campagnolo. That's a rare case where Campagnolo isn't best or tied for best. Another is their dishing tool. VAR wins here, in my book.
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    I have, and still use a Kingsbridge 15/16 cone wrench and a very light weight third hand, both bought new in the mid seventies.

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    P8210001.jpgSo tonight I went into my basement shop and looked for old and once favorite tools. I almost got overwhelmed... but here's a few nice ones. Extra credit for the box their on. Andy.

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