Papa Tom

Where can I get that one?

lopek77

I used to have one. It was awesome, convenient. It was also making a lot of noise on bumpy roads, and that's why I took it off.

Before I took it off, I went for a ride on unpaved country roads with local cycling club. Most of cyclists on road bikes, some very fancy ones, skinny tires, proper clothing...you name it - "ALL PRO" team lol I was riding my Specialized Crosstrail hybrid... Even before the ride started, I kept listening to silly jokes about me, my bike, heavy tool bag that will slow us all down, my kick stand... It continued for most of the 35 mile ride. Most people would feel like a looser or a fail, but I knew what I can do. It's all about the rider, not just a bike.
We stopped twice. I installed my extra headlight on another bike, and we stopped again to help out with a flat - I was the only one with extra tubes, patches, tools and pump... Long story short - I finished FIRST...

There is no good, reasonable reason not to have a (good) kickstand, unless you are racing. I now rarely have the need for kick stand. I just flip my bike, and "park" it on any soft surface, or just against the tree.

I'm sure weight weenies will prove me wrong...Typical kickstand will take away 2+ mph, USELESS rear light another 0.5 mph, tube, patches, tools, snack, water, extra bottle cage, comfy wider tires and saddle...All add up. At some point you wont be able to move at all. If you add fenders to this useless mess - you may actually start rolling backwards.

edit: Real cars don't have windshield wipers...

FBinNY 

Search this forum, and you'll find a number of posts (recent example) asking about damage to chainstays because of clamped on kickstands.

Regardless of preference, the thin walled chainstays of better quality bikes is the best argument against adding a kickstand. Of course it can be done, but special attention to fit and clamp pressure is required. Also, kickstands have a long history of getting loose, rattling around, rotating so they hit the crank or spokes, etc. so most experienced riders have decided that the drawbacks exceed the benefits.

But it's a free country, so use a kickstand if you prefer.

BTW- many modern quality bikes cannot mount the typical chainstay mount kickstand.

JanMM

Not needed in my world.

etw

This looks like an interesting approach

upstand? Bicycle Stand | Designed by the Upstanding Bicycle Company. Call 919-590-0328 to order.

lopek77

"Detachable" stand for "high tech" bikes.

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It adds 15 grams of weight to the bike as a mounting point - very strong neodymium magnet + adds another 25 grams - foldable and removable leg. Total is around 40 grams, but you can leave that 25 grams home if not planning on using the stand. Price is around $40-$50.

bikepro

+1

auldgeunquers

Real bikes don't have kickstands?? Oh no! I have no real bikes!

Real cars don't have windshield wipers? Now yous are just being silly.

BUT - Real trucks don't have spark plugs. THIS BE TRUTH!!

himespau 

I've used one. Feels nowhere near as secure and a lot more tippy than a real kickstand. My bike with one did fall over on the RD side. Of course, I was using it on a bike with horizontal dropouts and the lack of teeth in the mount (or the mount of the trailer that I had attached to the same axle, I don't remember which was next to the dropout - in either case even with the axle tightened super tight it slipped and the bike fell over) led to the axle sliding a bit.

JohnDThompson 

That particular one is specific to a certain bike. But you can get one similar, e.g.:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...396PD473VRVN5Z

KenshiBiker

Not trying to argue your viewpoint, but I'm curious - how do you change a rear tire without laying your bike down? I've occasionally had a flat occur near a conveniently sized wall so I could prop up my bike, but just last Saturday I had a flat with nothing around. I had no choice but to carefully lay down my road bike (NDS down) after I removed the rear wheel. I suppose if I had a mechanic following me in a team car, I wouldn't have to lay my bike down, but . . .

lopek77

"Real bikes don't have kickstands" - that's the opinion of many "pro" or "wannabe pro" cyclists

"Real cars don't have windshield wipers" - check the "edit" portion
"Real trucks don't have spark plugs" - it's true, if you are a "pro truck driver"

Cycling community is full of snoobs, which may ruin cycling joy for some of us. And now, I will say something which is mostly true, but I also know that I will take a heat for saying that ...Most of "these judging bastards are in road cycling mafia group." I call them "skinny asses", which may be a compliment for some.
Who cares if kickstand is a good or bad thing...who cares how fast is another rider, who cares if his/her bike is carbon or how much it cost... We should be more united as a group of active folks, sharing the same passion.
I'm the "fat ass", who carry your replacement tube, patches, pump, 3lbs of crap in my bag, and knowledge how to replace your 23 or 25 mm tube - to get you back in the saddle quick.

I guess that part of the problem is media, creating the image of perfect cyclist as a road cyclist. They must work hard with makers of all these shiny, high tech, featherweight components to create strong customer base... Silly article from reputable source + awesome Facebook comments about the issues lol

Gresp15C

My bikes have had kickstands since I was a kid, so maybe I've simply gotten used to the convenience. I find that there isn't always a convenient place to lean a bike or lay it down -- in front of shops, at the post office, in my garage, at the office, etc. Sometimes it's just temporary, like stopping to add or remove a layer of clothing, or to adjust something on the bike. When I go out to lunch with other cyclists at my workplace, I'm the only one not struggling to find a place to park my bike. Sometimes they end up leaning their bikes up against mine.

Big deal? No. Could I live without it? Sure. Likewise for wide tires, fenders, and a rack. There are threads about bikes being damaged by kickstands, but also threads about bikes that can't accommodate wide tires, fenders, or racks. Those are things that you consider before buying the bike.

FarHorizon

Some people like kickstands - others wouldn't be caught dead with them (mostly an image problem, IMHO). Needless to say, ALL my bikes have kickstands. But your bike - your choice. Ultimately. who cares? It's YOUR business...

EnsitMike

Only the GC guys.

auldgeunquers

Also ... I don't think I would ever spend $2000 on a bike - at least not until my disposable income was a bit higher proportion of my total income , but I could easily see me spending $2000 on 2 bikes, maybe even three. That plus three kickstands.

kwcahart

My bikes wouldn't be $2000 added together and multiplied. I can see both sides of the question, and I think I'll add a kickstand. What would be really neat would be a small lightweight folding stand you could put under the BB and then back in your pocket when you didn't need it.

Papa Tom

On the rare occasion when I have to fix a flat (just lucky, I guess) I remove all my junk (panniers, mirror, etc) from the bike and turn it over on its saddle on some grass or soil. That's the ONLY time I ever want to have to do that.

Yan 

By your own admission you received a very good reason, which you yourself agree with. Perhaps if your bike was ACTUALLY five or six times the value of your current bike, you would hold a different perspective about avoiding potential damage. Futhermore, nobody with a decent saddle would ever put a bike upside down. It's one thing to put the bike down on the side of the bar, a pedal, and a tire; it's another to risk tearing a $100 saddle.

As for myself, I skip the kickstand to save weight. I didn't spend $4500 on my bike so I can strap a bunch of unnecessary weight to it. I could have just bought a $1000 bike instead. Is the weight trivial? Yes. Does the speed of driving a Porsche make your day more productive than driving a cheap Toyota due to the time you save? No, but people still buy sports cars. Same thing with the bike. It's a hobby.

lopek77

Decent or not, less or more than $100 - it shouldn't tear when you put a bike upside down. Of course you can do it on a harsh surface, and keep moving your bike to make it happen.
I'm so happy I have bikes that I can actually use, have fun with and not sweat over it.
Yan, since you in China, I bet you meant $400 saddle when you said $100 ;-) I went to Singapore and Hong Kong few times, and couldn't believe the price differences, ability of buying seconds, and even thirds...Heaven, if you have western money living there.

JanMM

I don't understand getting so worked up about kickstands.
My cycling life is just fine without them.

Gresp15C

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nfmisso

Our Jeep does not have spark plugs either (it does have glow plugs to warm the cylinders when it is really cold)

nfmisso

Amazon. Several different brands, some have really good reviews, some don't......

lopek77

Glow plugs aka Owl spying on you lol


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