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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post
    oops
    So, do you not have a blog?

    I am disappointed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
    So, do you not have a blog?

    I am disappointed!

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    Story of my life. One misstep and I'm caught. Do you read everything in these forums?
    I'm not ready yet but here......http://onemoreoldfool.blogspot.com/

    Criticism welcome. Just don't make me cry.

    I keep thinking that I should be stopped before it's too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post
    Story of my life. One misstep and I'm caught. Do you read everything in these forums?
    I'm not ready yet but here......http://onemoreoldfool.blogspot.com/

    Criticism welcome. Just don't make me cry.

    I keep thinking that I should be stopped before it's too late.
    You are doing wonderfully well . I enjoy reading about your philosophy of life, truly!

    Your granddaughter and I both would not want you to stop, either.

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    I flew again today. First time in a long time. I have this 1973 Peugeot that I put a
    new set of 35c tires and tubes on today. This such a nice machine and such a joy
    to ride however it has a 57c seat post (22 inch). When I am in the saddle I cannot
    reach the ground with my tiptoes. When I stop I have to get off. I easily average
    3 to 5 mph faster on this bike than any of the others and without any extra effort.
    I love riding it but today while trying to dismount I took a short flight into the mud.
    Made a nice landing. A one pointer with a short roll out. Missed the wheel of the
    car with my head by an inch but an inch is as good as a mile. While I was down
    there I checked the underside of the car as there was no reason to make the
    trip for nothing and besides the cats were watching and I wanted them to think that
    I did it on purpose. Glad I didn't hurt the car as I will need it tomorrow to take
    my granddaughter home.

    I didn't break anything but I expect some of these little sore spots are going
    to hurt tomorrow and I'll be grumpier than ever. I don't remember these flights
    being so traumatic when I was a kid. I also don't remember it taking so long
    to get up. Hmmm It would probably be prudent to get rid of this bike.

    I had forgotten but you know the world looks a lot different from the mud
    and so distant.
    Think I'll have a gin now for medicinal purposes.

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    I commented on your Peugeot entry.
    "Real wars of words are harder to win. They require thought, insight, precision, articulation, knowledge, and experience. They require the humility to admit when you are wrong. They recognize that the dialectic is not about making us look at you, but about us all looking together for the truth."

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    I should fall off my bike more often. I slept good last night, woke up this morning with no aches and
    pains (well not any more than usual at least) and wasn't even grumpy. Unfortunately it was raining
    and a very dark morning so by the time lunch rolled around that changed. Oh well at least I got a little
    work done on the skate boarders bike.

    I just don't know what to do about the Peugeot. It just sat their glaring at me. Once when my back
    was turned I swear I heard an evil laugh and as an evil stepfather I know what an evil laugh sounds
    like. Why would anyone design a bike too tall for normal people and make it so nice that I lust
    for it. I think it's discrimination. Who do I sue?

    I'm thinking that out of spite I'll hack it and put it in Alt Bikes except that I'm afraid some Peugeot
    freak would have me killed.

    Oh well I've only got $50.00 in it even with the new tires and tubes so I'll let it sit for a while
    and think about it. I have done a lot of foolish things in my life (thus the name oldfool) but I think
    that I will exercise discretion and stay off that bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post

    I'm thinking that out of spite I'll hack it and put it in Alt Bikes except that I'm afraid some Peugeot
    freak would have me killed.
    It's not the Peugeot people who would have you marked for destruction, it's the mixte lovers who would frown upon the unwonted destruction .

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
    It's not the Peugot people who would have you marked for destruction, it's the mixte lovers who would frown upon the unwonted destruction .

    East Hill
    It's all the same. I'm not worried about being killed I can handle that. I worry that they would hurt me and make me pay. I'm just not into pain. Just mention water boarding to me and I'll confess to everything. I was just out in the workshop looking at it again. Maybe I'll just keep in on static display. It's just such a good ride. Not as good as my1976 Schwinn step through but what it lacks in comfort it makes up in speed.
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    February 19, 2008

    What a beautiful day, temperature in the upper 60*s, sunny and very little wind unlike yesterday which although sunny never reached 60* and there was a very gold gusty wind from the north. I tried to get out yesterday but the cold made my hands hurt to the point of distraction. I did not waste the day however as a pair of Wrens were moving into the new Wren house so I just watched. I don't see how they can fly to that little bitty hole and just pop right through it with out even slowing down. Magic. So far this month we have had blue jays, cardinals robins, wrens, house sparrows, pesky grackles and a pair of mourning doves that appear to have taken up house keeping somewhere in the oak trees. The local giant white egrets put on a show everyday. I wonder how they survive with the constant encroachment of man. One came through the yard yesterday under the tree canopy and looked like a small airplane it was so big.

    Today was bike to the store day so I took out "Old Yeller" wiped off the dust and commenced. I had such a glitch in my back this morning that I couldn't walk comfortably. A glitch that ran from my lower back down my right leg so I didn't know if I could ride or not. I am happy to say that it was not a problem. The bike is such a nice rider. Quiet,simple and it doesn't throw me off either like that cursed Peugeot.

    The car people didn't disappoint me. They were just as obnoxious, careless and non-thinking as usual. They can pretty much be counted on to be consistent. Walt Disney pretty much covered the transformation one goes through getting behind the wheel of an automobile as did the 'toon gods at Warner Bros.

    Picture below is of "Old Yeller" in its current configuration. That's 30 lbs+ of groceries and sundries. As you can see there is room for more. The only problem was the tool bag on the front. It acted as pendulum and made the steering a little erratic. I didn't figure that out until I was nearly home. duh. The black bag carries the overflow over my shoulder. Today it has only an avocado and my camera.

    I'm going to do a piece in my oldfool blog soon about the history, modifications and trials of this bike. It is truly an all purpose bike.
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    "I just don't know what to do about the Peugeot. It just sat their glaring at me. Once when my back
    was turned I swear I heard an evil laugh and as an evil stepfather I know what an evil laugh sounds
    like. Why would anyone design a bike too tall for normal people and make it so nice that I lust
    for it. I think it's discrimination."


    Mebbe the Peugeot is just destined to be someone else's... perhaps I could find one in your size ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post

    I'm going to do a piece in my oldfool blog soon about the history, modifications and trials of this bike. It is truly an all purpose bike.
    Another great post, oldfool! I will anticipate reading in your blog about your faithful companion, "Old Yeller".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    OF - You are a gifted writer.
    Thanks. You're no slouch yourself and I really appreciate your bikes. New bikes don't really interest me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    ....... perhaps I could find one in your size ?
    I don't really want one but this nice bike was in the Goodwill store and was much too classy for this Podunk. It doesn't really ride any better than my Schwinn. It's just so light and with lights, rack and full fenders already on it. I'm going to put the original seat and handle bars back on it and see what happens. This bike was rescued for a purpose I believe and it just hasn't worked out yet.
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    February 19, 2008

    Whilst pedaling my fat butt around in circles in Trollville here today I had a sudden revelation. I remembered that I had an experience with another Peugeot once before in the far, far past. Only this was with a car in 1961. My true love (at the time)(more about that later when I get it sorted out) and I bought a 1956 Peugeot model 403. It was a 4 door automobile with a strong 4 cylinder engine. I mean strong in that it would make a good boat anchor. It also had seats that made into a double bed (Leave it to the French to take the American custom of starting a family in the back seat of a car to a new level). It also had the racy styling of a 1951 Plymouth. It was butt ugly. We had no hesitation buying it using the logic that since our 1956 Renault 4CV designed by Porche in the '40's was so utilitarian and reliable that the Peugeot would be also. It didn't work out quite that way.

    The main problem was like the bicycle. It didn't fit. Now there are 5 controls that need to be readily available to the driver when driving. The steering wheel, the gear shift, the accelerator, the clutch and last but not least the brake. You would think that some French engineer would have sat in this car when it was assembled to see if all these controls worked and perhaps they did because it could be operated. With difficulty. The problem, for me at least, was that I wanted to be comfortable with all the controls not just one. Most cars manufactures try to set up all the controls so that they can comfortably be operated and most succeed with at least 3 or 4 out of five. Not so the Peugeot. I could only get comfortable for one. There was just no way I could get a comfortable position for two. I have owned 34 automobiles and light trucks in my short life and I think I know about this.

    When I got out of the Navy in August 1962 we hit the road in that car to tour 6 western States for a month or so camping along the way. I learned about metric tools on that trip as the only metric tools I had were crescent wrenches, pliers and screwdrivers. Finally fixed the French idea of a distributor with a good old American coat hanger. When we got home we traded it for a Ford. It was still sitting on the dealers lot 6 months later.

    I don't know why that came to mind today except that it was a gray rainy day and needed some gray rainy thoughts. The birds weren't even out. I decided to ride my homemade long bike to exercise some different muscle sets and boy did it ever. This bike is just before being a recumbent and either needs a seat like a Rans fusion or a seat back to push against. I get away with it by friction on the seat when not much effort is needed and pulling on the handle bars when I really need torque. It's really nice to ride and since I can reach the ground flat footed both sides I hardly ever fall off.

    I have been reading other blogs for some time and there are some really good ones. They are not from around here however as I believe the majority here are illiterate. At least those who publish the local newspapers are. And the politicians they quote. Don't forget the grade school teachers that can't write a grammatically correct note.

    Oh boy I can't wait 'til I can talk about Kilts, sex, the meaning of life and other things. I got a ton of stuff and pictures.

    I sent this one to Alt Bikes last year but I'm going to do a whole detailed piece in www.oldfool.org when I get around to it.

    This bike is constructed from two BMX bikes. It is similar to the construction that the current batch of DIY extracycle/big dummy bikes are using. No welding was required. I have several hundred miles on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post
    Oh boy I can't wait 'til I can talk about Kilts, sex, the meaning of life and other things. I got a ton of stuff and pictures.
    Now you've got our attention! Did you say 'kilts' and 'sex' in the same sentence ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
    Now you've got our attention! Did you say 'kilts' and 'sex' in the same sentence ?

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    Oh you kids. Always looking for the naughty. heh, heh.
    I have some thoughts on underwear as well but tonight I'm too tired.
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    February 21, 2008, Thursday
    I think the Peugeot Mixte dilemma may have solved itself. My grandson has shown an interest. He is a tall boy and growing. He already fits it far better than I do. The problem is that in that adult size body there is a 14 going on 15 year old boy that wants to leap tall buildings with a single bound. On a bike. With expensive aluminum wheels and little tiny axles meant to go fast. I am encouraging restraint with the Evil Knievel stuff. I'm sure he will try but boys that age can pull the door knob off a door just opening it and completely destroy a toilet just flushing it and not even know it. The only reason the light switches seldom wear out or get broken is because no one ever uses them to turn the lights off. Same goes for TV's.

    He is currently riding a BMX that is stronger than stink that I rebuilt for him his last birthday. He has learned to always use the kickstand, bring it in out of the rain and protect the wheels when doing “tricks”.

    Meanwhile the Peugeot is cowering in the corner of the shed. I walked by it today and it just sat there. no snarling or snapping just sort of silently whimpering. Revenge is sweet. We'll have this bronc tamed by the end of the weekend.

    Rainy here and 71 degrees at nine in the evening. Rained most of the night last night and the yard was a lake this morning. Great sleeping weather which is about all I want to do. Accomplished zero today which was my goal. I love it when I meet my goals.

    Friday
    Low temp here was 70 degrees last night and the temperature now is 64 degrees the lowest it has been today. I have been in shorts or skirt and shirtless most of the day. Flip flop time. Not more socks until next winter probably.

    Peugeot's stock handle bars are reinstalled and wrapped (grandsons request) and it looks like a real track machine. Those little tiny narrow handle bars look ridiculous but they do make it look fast.

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    Well the handwriting is on the wall or more accurately on my belly. Food and beer has got to go while I can still get through the door. I have been consuming about 2200 calories a day and apparently that's too much. Like I have said before horse people would call me an easy keeper. I would explain what brought me to the conclusion that the fat has got to go but that would involve parts of my anatomy that I just don't want to talk about.

    I'm not worried it will just take time. I am impatient but I have the will power. I quit cigarettes 30 years ago and chewing tobacco 10 years ago cold turkey so I know I can do anything as long as it doesn't require me to be tall.

    Speaking of tall I have one tall grandson that is busy mastering the Mixte. He is still really wary of it since it sits so tall and with little effort goes much faster than his BMX. He has become aware that he can go faster than he can think. The best part is he can straddle it without falling down like I do.

    I took old yeller to the Library yesterday. Temperature in the 70's and a light breeze from the southwest. The kind of extreme weather I like. At about 10 miles one of the old platform pedals started groaning like I do when I get up in the morning then started coming apart. That pedal probably wasn't more than 15 years old. I took it off an old broken frame and put it on this bike because it was good for riding barefoot and it was close to the top of the pile. It is rebuildable and maybe I will. For the time being I'll put the razor blades it came with back on. Oh the pain.

    At 1315 it's still 64 degrees today but is expected to be in the 30's tonight. A moderate breeze all morning but it appears to be dieing and switching around to the north. Like that pedal I'll be groaning before dark.

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    I wrote a page in the oldfool.org blog about pants. It didn't come out as well as I'd like but what the heck nobody thinks I know what I'm talking about anyway. I'll take another shot at in a week or so.

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    I have refrained from speaking of Sheldon Brown but it's not because his passing went unnoticed. Men my age notice and note every old man that dies. His work is the number one reference here when it comes to bicycles. I have noticed in the last few years that it takes a little longer to absorb each time an old man passes probably because it brings us a little closer to our own mortality.
    I bring out this poem by Ogden Nash when an old man dies.

    OLD MEN
    People expect old men to die,they do not really mourn old men.
    Old men are different. People look at them with eyes that wonder when...
    People watch with unshocked eyes;
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    Sheldon Brown will be remembered much longer than most of us.
    That's the truth as I see it.

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    Your anti-pants post is priceless.... .

    Has your grandson mastered the mixte yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
    Your anti-pants post is priceless.... .

    Has your grandson mastered the mixte yet?

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    He is still a little wary yet and that's a good thing. He grabs his BMX and just bangs
    off in every direction at once but with the Mixte he is definitely more deliberate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post
    He is still a little wary yet and that's a good thing. He grabs his BMX and just bangs
    off in every direction at once but with the Mixte he is definitely more deliberate.
    At least it has not snarled at him!

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    March 4, 2008

    The blue funk of winter finally took me down. It's a little late for me. I usually contemplate murder, mayhem and suicide in early February but we had some spats of good weather right up until February so it kind of threw me off. That and the first week of a severe diet topped by some dysfunctional family fun brought things to a head the first week in March. But its OK. My bike riding though sparse in February has improved a lot. It suddenly got easier and more satisfying. The garden is coming together. The first week of the diet is over and is now much easier. I'm still hungry much of the time but that will abate. The best part is the fat is starting to go. For those who would advise me about weight loss I know everything there is to know about loosing weight or at least all I want to know. I know that I have to be hungry to lose fat or take amphetamines. I had a go around with that in the fifties and thank you very much not again. You think quitting smoking is hard. I thought that by the time I got to this age the hassles would be over. I firmly believe now that people do not die of old age they die to just get away for the constant same old B/S going on and on and on and on. It would be at least somewhat challenging if the B/S was new and different but its the same stuff over and over.

    March 4, 1939

    I don't know what I was thinking then or even if. I don't even know if I was anticipating the coming event that was about to happen. I was very young and that was a long time ago. In dragonfly years being something over 25,185 generations. In the 5 years I have taken to trying to remember that event however I am sorry to say that I have had no luck. I often state that I reserve the right to remember anything I want and to remember it as interesting as I want but in this case I haven't yet. I will speculate that about this time though that Mom was hanging around the house not doing much, probably not making any plans for a night out as she was very pregnant. In a few hours she was going to get a wake up call and in about 9 hours (2:45am CST) she would be saddled with a screaming pissed off naked bundle of joy that couldn't talk, couldn't walk, wasn't house broke, didn't have any money, no job and was hungry all the time. Too late for the hospital Mom just laid back and let it go. She did call the Doc. Doctors made house calls in the olden times.

    Oh yeah, the rumor that I was born in a hammock is not true. I started that rumor.

    Tomorrow I will pull out my birth certificate and my baby book and honor my mother one more time. Looking over the birth certificate is a joke as it is a sworn certified lie. That is not my name as given me by my mother and father. The baby book was written by Mom so I at least I know some of the things I can't remember. She was a great mom. She was smart, capable, patient and very pretty. Have I mentioned yet that I miss her.

    Thanks Mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfool View Post

    Tomorrow I will pull out my birth certificate and my baby book and honor my mother one more time. Looking over the birth certificate is a joke as it is a sworn certified lie. That is not my name as given me by my mother and father. The baby book was written by Mom so I at least I know some of the things I can't remember. She was a great mom. She was smart, capable, patient and very pretty. Have I mentioned yet that I miss her.

    Thanks Mom.
    Very thoughtful and sweet, oldfool...

    [happy birthday, too ]

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    This time of year is a time of contemplation and reflection for me which is usually brought on by not enough daylight to do something fun. Contemplation and reflection makes me sleepy. I seem to be having trouble with the dragging on of prespring weather. I never know if I will need my overcoat or shorts so I usually end up staring out the window until it's too late to do anything but take a nap. Today I decided to do something different so I brought out the old genealogy folder. An 8.5 inch by 11 inch by 1 inch thick folder of copys of old records of births, deaths and marriages that make nearly no sense to me. However my wonderful 82 year old aunt that compiled this mess has boiled it down so that even I can get some information from it. She is a wonder and joy and so sharp and smart that it's scary. She has been that way as long as I have known her which is about 64 years as near as I can calculate. I'll have to write about this woman sometime in the future for she is a story that needs telling. Well it got me interested in my roots yet again so I started back on my search for my lost family on my fathers side. I am not who my birth certificate says I am and it annoys me to no end. I am not unhappy with who it says I am but it is just a matter of misleading record keeping. In fact it's not record keeping at all it's a lie. Changing a childs name does not change the childs DNA but what it does do is muddy the water so that if you are trying to discover your past it is very difficult. I know it was done with good intentions but it was wrong.

    OK that was the rant about record keeping. I feel better.

    So as I was saying I have been searching for my lost relatives on my fathers side of the family which, by the way, I have fond memories of. I Goolged the family name and my first choice from 568,000 choices had my grandmothers name on it. The result of the message that displayed had enough information to tell me that I had found the mother-lode. After searching further, using information that I gleaned from that five year old post, I was able to track down my aunt and cousin. I have been searching for them for eight years. Unfortunately they are deceased. Poor me. I would so much love to talk to them especially my cousin as we shared a wonderful grandmother. I did get to talk to the husband of my cousin (they were married 51 years) and he is quite familiar with the family. I took to him immediately. He sent a file for me to peruse and what a surprise. All the perceptions and memories of my ancestors do not have to be adjusted a little or a lot. Instead they have to be deleted. All this time I thought I was Scots/Irish but it turns out that I have been Dutchified and French fried. Who would have thought it?
    Includes a great grandfather that was a bonafide pirate. Just what every boy needs. I still haven't been able to find one shred of information about my father other than date and place of birth. There's just pirates, bootleggers and gospel preachers and no telling what else.

    Why am I doing this? Probably a search for the truth. Curiosity. All these years that I thought I was Scots/Irish and Cherokee is apparently wrong. There is a high probability that I am Dutch, French, Irish and Cherokee. Given the proclivity of all people to screw anything that is warm including the wood pile on a sunny day I'm not surprised or disappointed.

    More on this later.
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    I did some routine maintenance on my bike the other day and while checking the tires I tried to rub some kind of mark off the sidewall and imagine my surprise when the sidewall came off. Maybe its time for some new tires. It is amazing to me how true these original equipment wheels stay. I occasionally have to tweak them but not very often. It looks like today is going to be a day to ride somewhere. This will be a utility ride because it will be to get out of doing any chores. My kind of utility. I want to be the best slacker I can be.

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    Twice a year the government disrupts my life with "daylight savings time". It seems to take me longer each year now to adjust.

    We need not to be let alone. We need to be really bothered once in a while. How long is it since you were really bothered? About something important, about something real?
    - Ray Bradbury

    I think Mr Bradbury is right. Why am I concerned with Daylight Savings Time. It's such a piddly thing but it's the only piddly thing I've got. I think I'll take a nap and try to come up with something big to worry about.

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    I wanted to include a picture of my restored "Free Spirit" coaster bike. It's a full fendered, rusty, well worn 26 inch with 1 3/8 tires. It's straight as it can be. Unfortunately I can't because it's still unrestored but I found this picture of how I see it already. I think the girl is Dutch.

    "Trousers are a Western absurdity." Author C Clarke

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