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Old 11-27-11, 07:52 AM   #51
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BTW, he obviously isn't even a cyclist if he doesn't understand the use of the term. Its not offensive. If it is to him, he's overly sensitive.
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Old 11-27-11, 10:13 AM   #52
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Well, Ms. Nazi may or may not be a racist. She says that she is not on her website, but we do not have independent proof.

The main alternative usage for the term Nazi that I know about is for someone who is intolerant:

Grammar Nazi - intolerant of what they see as poor grammar.
Soup Nazi - intolerant of deviation from his rigid soup line rules.
Road Nazi - intolerant of those they see as inferior cyclists.

The Nazi moniker is usually applied with disdain for the target of the label.
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Old 11-27-11, 10:18 AM   #53
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Old 11-27-11, 10:39 AM   #54
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The Nazi moniker is usually applied with disdain for the target of the label.
And, it is. Considering that a lot of Dutch still will bring up the Second World War, when their national team plays the Germans. And a common slogan then is they want their bikes back -- because the Nazi occupiers confiscated most of the Dutch bicycles back in the day. My first association with 'Bike Nazi' is thief.
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Old 11-27-11, 09:38 PM   #55
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Hi from the Bike Nazi. I really appreciate all the responses. I knew going into this that if I asked for opinions, I'd get them. This is what I want.

If I got a majority of votes for "offensive", combined with thoughtful explanations on my blog and on the forum, I'd change it without question. If I was offending almost everyone, that would mean a great deal to me, because I don't want to do that.

On the other hand, if there were just a few offended people, and most of you said, "Hey, people are too sensitive. Keep the name", I'd feel justified and keep it. But neither of these has happened.

I've got responses of all types. Many yeses and many nos. Many indifferent...

It's becoming clear to me that I must figure out the direction of my blog. If I want to get big, work with the industry, gain credibility, and sell products (which I have ideas for), then I have to change the name. The bigger I get, the more opposition I'd encounter if I tried to keep the bike nazi title.

If I want to keep the blog as something for a small amount of readers, most of whom know me, then I would feel justified in keeping the name.

So, now I battle with selling out. If I give up the name, I feel like I caved in to the pressure of the PC world. I may be insensitive by feeling like my disclaimer that I'm not a racist, should be enough to satisfy anyone who feels strongly about the word. I guess I'm just trying to create the kind of world I wish it was.

In about a week, I'll see if the survey responses taper off. I'll figure out what I'm going to do. Thank you for all your responses. You really got me thinking, and that was what I wanted.
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Old 11-28-11, 09:18 AM   #56
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Look at your picture on your site. By pure coincidence I'm guessing, you are in a red jersey trimmed in black and white.(you know where I am going with this) If you overlay another Specialized logo over the one on your left shoulder in a certain way what do you get? A funky looking swastika! But unlike the word Nazi, the swastika was/is a symbol of good luck before the Nazi party came along.
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Old 11-28-11, 09:33 AM   #57
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If you're looking for a less inflammatory genocidal cult to reference in your blog title, consider working with names like bike khmer rouge, bike stalinist, bike red guard, bike hutu... that sort of thing.

Nazi references have been done to death already.
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Old 11-28-11, 12:12 PM   #58
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How many other successful businesses use nazi references in their company name or product line?

That ought to give you your answer.
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Old 11-28-11, 12:52 PM   #59
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So, now I battle with selling out. If I give up the name, I feel like I caved in to the pressure of the PC world. I may be insensitive by feeling like my disclaimer that I'm not a racist, should be enough to satisfy anyone who feels strongly about the word. I guess I'm just trying to create the kind of world I wish it was.
I wouldn't think of it as selling out. It speaks volumes that you were willing to get other perspectives on the issue, so obviously some degree of awareness and sensitivity is important to you. By your own reasoning, the "bigger" you want your blog to get, but more you should consider others' perspectives.

Also, for what it's worth, disclaimers like the one you mention don't have very much value. Some very racist people will say (and believe) that they are not racist. I'm not saying you fall into that category, but the messages like that tend to ring hollow.
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My point is simply that many people............ may well find this at a minimum boorish, and potentially offensive.
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There are also some comments here about older people finding this offensive much more so that younger people. It is probably true but that is more of an indictment of the educational system where people do not learn history. Anybody who could find humor in the most appalling chapter of European History is either totally callous or not educated enough.

I was in Russia about 17 years ago. The Russians suffered the highest casualties during WW2, even more than the Jews. Over there, they present WW2 as if it happened yesterday. Try to find humor in that word over there, I dare you.
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Old 11-28-11, 07:43 PM   #61
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Maybe she did Not-see all this coming...
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Look at your picture on your site. By pure coincidence I'm guessing, you are in a red jersey trimmed in black and white.(you know where I am going with this) If you overlay another Specialized logo over the one on your left shoulder in a certain way what do you get? A funky looking swastika! But unlike the word Nazi, the swastika was/is a symbol of good luck before the Nazi party came along.
I waited a few days to post this next thought. See my quote above, it never would have came to mind if "Nazi" had not been part of your name. Instead it would have been "That's a cool looking jersey! I really like the red trimmed in black and white!" But with you being a "Nazi" that is the first thing that came to mind.
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Old 12-15-11, 09:04 PM   #63
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The Bike Nazi just sounds like a Nazi that rides a bike.

At the end of the day do you really want to call yourself a Nazi?
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Old 01-09-12, 09:48 PM   #64
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I've changed the name of my blog to the Bikinator. Although more people voted that the name was not racist, I have to respect those who were so upset by it. I know that many people who know me can look past the negative connotation of the word nazi and realize that it was a joke, a nick name... But there are people alive today who remember the concentration camps. There are people whose loved ones survived the Holocaust. Because many offended folks took the time to put a personal story behind the reasons for their opinions, I felt I must recognize their views.

Thank you to all who voted and gave me your opinions.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soup_Nazi

Well, I'm too late since you've already changed the name to Bikinator.

I guess you can still use the same accent...

The origin of the name is a Seinfeld episode, called the "Soup Nazi". (Note: I never watched Seinfeld).

A while back, I was at a Diner, and they didn't give me any cole-slaw. A friend said "No cole slaw for him!" , with a German accent. I thought it was funny, and he explained it was like a running gag, that the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld would deny patrons of certain items which were on the menu.

I guess you have to be a Seinfeld fan to get the joke.
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Soup Nazi was mildly amusing, at best, the first time, almost 20 years ago. Calling yourself a Bike Nazi now is clever how?
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I've changed the name of my blog to the Bikinator. Although more people voted that the name was not racist, I have to respect those who were so upset by it. I know that many people who know me can look past the negative connotation of the word nazi and realize that it was a joke, a nick name... But there are people alive today who remember the concentration camps. There are people whose loved ones survived the Holocaust. Because many offended folks took the time to put a personal story behind the reasons for their opinions, I felt I must recognize their views.

Thank you to all who voted and gave me your opinions.

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What a load of crap. You shoulda kept your nick-name. To me you'll always be the bike nazi.
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Old 02-28-12, 09:22 PM   #68
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I DRESS in a feldgrau uniform and ride a bike, i guess you could call me a bike nazi, but really I am just a ww2 reenactor that does bikes to show how the German army got around when they weren't walking riding in an Opel Blitz of riding in or on some sort of panzer. I call my group M.O.B.B. (men on black bikes) most ww2 German reenactors use the bikes as props but I ride mine. I have three wehrmacht fahrraden.
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my sentiment. aside from that, nowhere in her blog did I read or find any evidence that she was attaching or implying "positives" to the word itself or for that matter to anything else. She was nick named "by someone else". I've read the blog, all of it. Some are putting words into your mouth. It seems more about that some have rights that others don't. Never thought of Seinfeld as funny anyhow... Kramer on the other hand...
what could be offensive to me is using the word "addict" in the context of describing someones tenacity or application towards a sport or declaring the use of Nazi German stereotypes "funny and tounge in cheeck" (except for hogan's heroes... lol)

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After a moment of reflection (lol), I realized why I took such exception to the word "addict". The sport of cycling is scrutinized , more that any other at this time (by media attention alone) through a legacy of doping. Before anyone get's in a huff (yes, I might open up another can of worms here and it doesn't really belong in this thread), many other sports are affected. The point is, expressig how one feels about a subject discussed in public is one thing, understating moralities without clear reference of quote is innuendo. I read the blog. The suggestion of "attaching something positive" came from a 3rd party poster. Yet it was "suggested" that this was her stance!!! Sorry, unfair discussion tactic. Too much politics over an "innocent" nome de ... and over cycling... this is a cycling forum... ain'it

My final 5c : I hope this is the end of this and we can get back to rides ... For you my dear... some of your friends will call you #^%*& while others call you @*&(%)... hehe. you'll know who your friends are...

ps do you do much on the road yet?

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I do spend most of my time on the road bike, although the rides are of the "Wamup, do VO2 sprints at 30 seconds a piece with 2 min recoveries in between, cool down" variety. As time has gone on since that whole name change survey, I definitely have learned some things about who my friends are, that people will be pretty nasty when they can say their opinion on a computer (vs to your face), and that changing the name did more to help my blog than to hurt it. I am still just as diligent and focused in my training as before. The blog name may have changed, but my personality certainly has not. Thanks for reading, Rhinelander!
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I find it a touch off putting but not racist
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Might turn a lot of people off, and that's not the point of a blog. Better content than the title would lead you to believe. Like the name change, more in keeping with the content.

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Small minded bigots. I think your all prejudiced against Nazis.
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Hi from the Bike Nazi. I really appreciate all the responses. I knew going into this that if I asked for opinions, I'd get them. This is what I want.

. . .

I've got responses of all types. Many yeses and many nos. Many indifferent...

. . .

If I want to keep the blog as something for a small amount of readers, most of whom know me, then I would feel justified in keeping the name.

So, now I battle with selling out. If I give up the name, I feel like I caved in to the pressure of the PC world. . . . .
You're clueless. It is not PC to be troubled by your blog name. The disagreement is not about trying to end the use of a word that reasonable people can and do disagree about.
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