http://zerodish.wordpress.com/ I have put 80000 loaded miles on wheels I have built myself. A recent update I broke a chain it snagged the derailer and forced it into the spokes. One or the DT alpine spokes has a kink and the one opposite it had to be cut off because the nipple had stress deformed and refused to come off. Still the wheel is usable I'm currently on tour in New Mexico.