mude

so i can get this bike a what i guess is a decently good price...not gonna tell you until i can get some good estimates on what its worth so i can be surprised...

https://photobucket.com/albums/b54/mude/ click on the pics to enlarge...



everything on the bike except the backwheel, chain, bars, seat and seatpost, but it also includes a brand new hemroid seat

price estimates???

ps. for those of you that didnt get it the frames an s&m (pbr?)

CMcMahon

$300-400. $450 if you're feeling nice.

edit: Is the frame a PBR? It looks like one to me.

KinetikBiker

$400 its nice, do you have any idea what year PBR it is?

mude

it is a pbr
does that change n e thing?

Brian

Mr. Beer, what do you think of this frame?

CMcMahon

I don't like how the brake bosses are chopped off, but the mounts are still there. Either way, that'll devalue it for sure, unless you plan on selling it to a brakeless rider.

I'm not sure what kind of frame that is, but it looks a bit like an Eastern. Super tall seattube, long dropouts, weird headtube design. I'd say that it's probably worth around $250 new, and about half of that used, take $10-15 for missing the brake bosses.

Brian

It's a new frame, so the bosses haven't been installed. It's also titanium, so I think it's probably more of a race frame or maybe flatland? I wouldn't want to ride any ramps or drops, but I'm thinking of building one of these up. I can probably get them to spec some extra fatty tubing too, or extra gussets. Does that change your opinion?

CMcMahon

Well, it's definitely worth a lot more money than I said, but I wouldn't trust it. Titanium isn't the best material for welded frames, particularily ones that are going to be jumped (assuming that you don't manual everything at the track).

For flatland, it should be a fine material - I haven't heard of any problems with any ti flat frames, such as the Ares Ti Choise, but, on the other hand, you rarely hear of people snapping flatland frames anyways, unless they ride street on it also.

Also, that's most definitely not a flat frame. The top tube is too long, I can tell that just by looking at it, and the 990s are mounted on the bottom, which is a major no-no due to the insanely low gearing (20-11, anyone?) flatlanders often use.

And it's not a race frame, because I can tell at a glance that it has 14mm dropouts, as opposed to 10mm (3/8"), and it has u-brake mounts on the chainstays instead of v-brakes mounts on the seatstays.

I'm going to go out on a whim and take a guess that that's the Creedence frame; they don't make too many of them, due to the ridiculous price, but it's the only ti freestyle frame that I can think of offhand, although I do remember a European company producing frames for around $1000 each awhile back.

Brian

Oh man. I have to start from the beginning. It's not any brand you would know, it's a completely custom job. The top tube is available from 20" up to 24.5", or I can spec a custom size. Same with the dropouts and brake boss locations - it's all built to spec. I've got to get a quote on the frame and see if it's a worthwhile project.

CMcMahon

24.5"? You'd have to be 9' tall to need a frame that long.

Anyway, I'd say that the frame is probably worth somewhere around $1000, like most other titanium frames.

hypersnazz

What would you be building it up for, specifically?

Brian

I don't know what's up with the giant TT, but someone must have ordered one once, and their jig can go that big. My price is about US$500.



Because I can. A ti fork, BB spindle, axles, and a lot of ti fasteners too. It would match our tandem, and end up being a showcase for the stuff we can order. Besides, I hate paint.

CMcMahon

$500 seems really cheap, but it's probably a good deal. Now that I think about, ti frames are a lot less than $1000; I was thinking of that $1350 Airborne complete at the time. Although I do believe that that European ti freestyle frame did cost around $1000, but that probably included S&H to the US.

Brian

I've got so many bikes on my "To build" list that I don't know where to start. The only problem I see with this project is that I have to order a bunch of stuff to make shipping worthwhile.

hypersnazz

The Ti Ares you mentioned runs in the neighborhood of $1100, and I've seen other 20" Ti frames in that price point, so it's not too far off. Ti road frames are usually well into the $2-3k price range...go take a look at Litespeed or Seven next time you're bored. I seem to recall Expatriate's an importer, was it? So he probably has a hookup or two. Like carbon, I would warn that any Ti component is only as good as its maker. It's a difficult material to work with and requires plenty of skill and experience to do it right.