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Old 11-04-10, 02:53 AM   #51
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Dude, I weigh 220 pounds. A bunnyhop is a stunt or trick that requires chromo for me. Hell, a fast sprint requires chromo. I'm pretty sure that I could shear off a bottom bracket on a hi-ten frame in a month or two just off of sprinting.
This is how little faith I have in hi-ten. Hi-ten is fine for my big amsterdam city bike. It is not fine for my bmx. And yes, lot's of kids wake up one day, realize they own an eastern and that they suck and decide to sell the bike. That is pretty common.
Can we just make this an eastern sucks thread now? Seriously, scooter bike much?
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Old 11-04-10, 03:41 AM   #52
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"Big guy on a little bike ?"

[video=youtube;oGWbt3DSje0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGWbt3DSje0[/video]

I go as big as 205 lbs, use the equipment as it was intended, I wouldn't recommend anyone 220 lbs be doing the aerials on the 20" or smaller bmx like in the videos and expecting much to last ?

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Old 11-04-10, 10:31 AM   #53
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The fact that they have the same tensile strength doesn't mean anything really. Chromoly is just as strong as hi-ten when you use less of it. Which is eactly why we use that in place of hi-ten. its stronger and lighter.

and robertv is basically dead on with the fact that a lot of people realize that their eastern bikes suck, and decide to sell them for as much as they can get out of it.
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Old 11-04-10, 11:13 AM   #54
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I wouldn't recommend anyone 220 lbs be doing the aerials on the 20" or smaller bmx like in the videos and expecting much to last ?
You wouldn't recommend? Nobody cares what you would recommend, because you don't ride.
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Old 11-04-10, 04:03 PM   #55
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You wouldn't recommend? Nobody cares what you would recommend, because you don't ride.
Don't take it personally, but you sir, are irresponsible ? Even your hero is only 160 lbs, without checking each & every bmx rider profile, you think any of them go 220 ? I wonder how much additional force & stress a bmx frame or bike as an assembled unit experiences with a 220 lb rider vs a 175 or less lb rider ? I mean you are the foremost expert on this topic ? I'll wager you'd encourage Warren Sapp to pursue ballet to make a few extra bucks on the extra fabric involved in making his tutu ?

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Old 11-04-10, 04:25 PM   #56
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The fact that they have the same tensile strength doesn't mean anything really. Chromoly is just as strong as hi-ten when you use less of it. Which is exactly why we use that in place of hi-ten. its stronger and lighter.

and robertv is basically dead on with the fact that a lot of people realize that their eastern bikes suck, and decide to sell them for as much as they can get out of it.
I think you're running with the CL ad, the person says he rode it roughly 3 times, it didn't address quality issues with the equipment. Your assignment for your next post, provide a detailed list and explanation supporting your assertions that Eastern bikes suck beyond the brand name doesn't grab you or their logo isn't cool enough ? If you would, please list in terms of pros and cons of the particular aspect(s) of the bmx bike you are critiquing ? To me it's a full chromoly frame ? Is it an issue that they don't know how to design, engineer & fabricate a chromoly frame ?
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Don't take it personally, but you sir, are irresponsible ?
Was that supposed to be a question or a statement? It doesn't matter, because I've got a statement for you. Now, don't take it personally, but you, sir, are a grade-A moron.

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Even your hero is only 160 lbs, without checking each & every bmx rider profile, you think any of them go 220 ?
Rider profiles. Oh, man. I can name at least a dozen professional, well-respected riders that likely weigh more than 220 off the top of my head. Butcher and Edwin come to mind immediately. I'm talking people with magazine covers, ender sections of videos, signature parts, and whatnot. You can't name any because you don't know anything about BMX.

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Your assignment for your next post, provide a detailed list and explanation supporting your assertions that Eastern bikes suck beyond the brand name doesn't grab you or their logo isn't cool enough ? If you would, please list in terms of pros and cons of the particular aspect(s) of the bmx bike you are critiquing ? To me it's a full chromoly frame ? Is it an issue that they don't know how to design, engineer & fabricate a chromoly frame ?
Since, as stated prior to this on numerous occasions, you don't know a goddamn thing about BMX, let me give you a history lesson. Eastern Bikes, in the late '90s to the middle of this decade, made very heavy chromoly frames. They were practically indestructible. Then, the stars aligned. Eastern got AutoCAD. And what did they do? They started using increasingly thin tubing, and, to make matters worse, started drilling holes into the sides of seattubes, the bottom of bottom brackets, and the front of headtubes. On top of this, they designed a new seatpost clamp design which involved an integrated clamp cut into the seattube below the toptube junction. Their frames are well-known for failing.

Your assignment for the next post is to stroke me, stroke me.

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Old 11-04-10, 08:45 PM   #58
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First off, let's not resort to name calling & what you do in your spare time to amuse yourself auto erotically, that's something you can do solo. I don't need to know about it or be a party to it.

Are we supposed to take your word on everything ? Provide evidence of these 220 lb riders ? And even so, wouldn't you agree these are exceptions to the rule ?

Eastern may make only 2 models of frames (not even complete bikes) per their website that have the features of what you described ? How difficult would it be to avoid a frame that you don't believe the hype of the design ? I guess the whole product line is crap because of it ? Do they even still make them or are they leftovers ?

http://www.easternbikes.com/products/completes
http://www.easternbikes.com/products/frames

At any rate, think maybe those are for racing and not obstacle courses doing big aerials ? They seem to lifetime warranty their bikes and offer frame trade-ins as upgrades ?

Anyway, here's some quick video evidence of frame breakage, but look how big that boy is, so I guess I wasn't too wrong on suggesting that 220 lb guys shouldn't be jumping consumer grade bmx bikes ? Then again, you tube is littered with smaller guys snapping frames just the same. Perspective, one might even interpret that to support one of my other statements in this thread, that anyone can break their frame and nothing is indestructible ? When one subjects their bike to abuse, anyone is really on the clock or # of usages (use those wishes wisely) on how much fatigue the metal can take. Sounds like more good advice, I won't say it's bmx knowledge, but rather just common sense. BTW, posting it in every post that another doesn't know anything, doesn't make it any truer than the first accusation, even if it's done in a pack mentality. I won't say you know nothing, but failing to acknowledge the truth, is, as I stated previously, irresponsible.

[video=youtube;1lHmqOfpQ_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lHmqOfpQ_k[/video]
[video=youtube;8UnwvxLKitA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UnwvxLKitA[/video]

http://thecomeupbmx.net/videos/tailw...-broken-frame/

That was a Federal bike according to the writeup, maybe everything they make sucks too ?
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Old 11-05-10, 02:47 AM   #59
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So just how much weight do I need to lose before I'm allowed to ride my BMX again?
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Old 11-05-10, 06:33 AM   #60
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So just how much weight do I need to lose before I'm allowed to ride my BMX again?
To be honest, you're in a better position to make that assessment for yourself. I won't say you're in a situation like 401 lb Nate Newton, heck you might even be solid muscle mass like a body builder and there is virtually nothing there to lose ? In either instance or somewhere in between though and I know you already realize that at your size that you can destroy a frame at a moment's notice, you'll temper how aggressive you are with any type of riding with common sense.

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Edit: that one video, that guy came down on his back wheel just on the incline side of the mound, it was too easy to see why that frame snapped like a twig. 1/2 the bike was moving forward with all that momentum & mass while the rest of it was stopped by the mound of earth. That frame got stretched instantaneously.

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Old 11-06-10, 06:28 AM   #61
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wow.
And no, my frames aren't just about to snap. Chromoly actually holds up quite well to my weight. I'm sure someday I might snap this frame or another frame, but basically, I ride my ass off and haven't broken a chromoly frame yet. I've seen dudes much lighter than me bend and twist and snap the hell out of hi-ten.
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Old 11-06-10, 09:19 PM   #62
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haha I watched just one half of the rear dropouts on an Eastern snap when a kid only made it 270 of his 360 attempt
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Old 11-07-10, 06:28 PM   #63
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Ok, I was done with this stupid topic, but y'all are missing one rather interesting point:
fuji is now arguing that 4130 BMX frames are NOT strong enough.

Clearly, a switch to Hi-Ten is in order.

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Old 11-07-10, 08:42 PM   #64
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I was done with this thread too, but I'm just saying, get what you can afford, if you score a $ 50 deal on a regularly MSRP $ 500 chromoly bmx like the guy was able to get on a rarely used Specialized in another thread, jump on it. But there is no shame in having a hi-ten bmx either. When you miss a stunt badly and snap the frame or crack it, realize that you mis-calculated and failed to stick the landing and stop blaming the equipment or the manufacturer for substandard hardware.
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Old 11-08-10, 08:56 AM   #65
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Dude thats the first time that you said anything about snagging a deal. And at a higher level of riding, there is a bit of shame in having hi-ten, because it just won't stand up to the stresses of afore mentioned high level riding, and will do nothing but bend, stretch, snap, and otherwise fail.
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Dude thats the first time that you said anything about snagging a deal. And at a higher level of riding, there is a bit of shame in having hi-ten, because it just won't stand up to the stresses of afore mentioned high level riding, and will do nothing but bend, stretch, snap, and otherwise fail.
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Dude, with all due respect, Diamondback Joker is about as hi-ten as it gets. Has it failed on you ? I would say that you have a decent quality bike then, that seems to work ?

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the thread that never dies, over such a simple question.
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It's mostly fuji, he never gives up on certain topic.
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Is that still the frame I have up there? oops. Thats not what I ride anymore. And it was fine in the very beginning when I had no idea what I was doing, but now that I have at least some of my act together, Chromoly is almost necessary. Ride with the Right foot forward.
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It's mostly fuji, he never gives up on certain topic.
LOL, Naw, just wrangled back into it and then there are 3 to a 1/2 dozen of them, so it's a tag team, they hunt in packs ! One takes a break and the other relieves the last one.
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Because for some reason, it seems to take that many people because you won't listen to the person before them. So we just keep coming.
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Because for some reason, it seems to take that many people because you won't listen to the person before them. So we just keep coming.
I'm still waiting on anyone to explain why the chromoly frames in the videos I posted broke in half, they are chromoly ? It's been asserted that for higher level bmx stunts/tricks that chromoly holds up to the beating, is even required. Yet there is empirical evidence that demonstrates otherwise. I've made my assertions that none of these bikes are designed of materials or workmanship to take that kind of repeated abuse, especially when the rider misses badly enough in the execution. That's the only observation anyone could take from the evidence that is freely available. I was told I didn't know d*ck about it, yet the professional riders that tour never use the same equipment from show to show. Outside of having to use the same bike for that choreographed routine, the rider may very well not even use the same bike in the same event. I mean, who would show up with a single bike at that event ? And in between performances, any bike is thoroughly checked to ensure that there is nothing wrong with it, that is thoroughly checked as humanly possible.

Not one sponsored manufacturer explicitly make those guarantees on any product, yet it's implied or taken as that because a professional rider rides the same brand from show to show. If I'm wrong on that, please show me on any manufacturer's website where that is explicitly guaranteed. A lifetime warranty is exactly what it is, that the product will perform as intended, failures of the frame will be dealt with at their discretion, yet there's a lot of legal language in that warranty that is ambiguous & vague as to what constitutes intended use or more accurately abuse.

http://www.easternbikes.com/products/completes/2011/82

The Lifetime Warranty links to this page:

http://www.easternbikes.com/about/warranty/

That's Eastern:

Check out your favorite brand just the same ? This place doesn't even have a warranty prominently displayed beyond providing a contact:

http://www.solidbmx.com/read/info/

So what exactly is their warranty about ? Their skeptical too when a frame fails.

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I'd typed out a long response that got deleted when I hit "reply".

So instead - Godzilla vs Ghidorah!!!

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Riders use the same bike from show to show. They might swap out certain parts because their sponsor gives it to them to start using, but it is still essentially the same bike. And we, at least I, never said that Chromoly is indestructible, just that it is stronger than hi-ten.
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im sorry to tell all of you who seem not to know anything about metal but Hi tensile steel is a good steel and nearly bulletproof meaning if you get hit buy a car or crash it will hold up and wont loose its strength even if bent so i would recommend it for off road and on road use.

on the other hand
Chrome Molybdneum steel is more rigid which means it is less likely to bend but more likely to snap it is not stronger in most meanings of the word related to metal.

Flexibility is essential in metal this is proven in what they use to build sky scrappers which if you did not know sway slightly in the wind a rigid metal would snap.

Chromoly is only good on ramps

High tensile steel is steel that has more than twice the tensile strength of mild steel and ten times that of wood. Such steel is widely used in motorway safety fences, offshore mooring cables and pre-stressed concrete and bridge ropes. The stoutness of metals is normally reduced by increasing their tensile strengths.
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Ultimate tensile strength (UTS), often shortened to tensile strength (TS) or ultimate strength, is the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched or pulled before failing or breaking. Tensile strength is not the same as compressive strength and the values can be quite different.
Some materials will break sharply, without plastic deformation, in what is called a brittle failure. Others, which are more ductile, including most metals, will experience some plastic deformation and possiblynecking before fracture
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