I am considering putting together a bike and i was wondering if the set is worth while to get and if it really does have everything i would need except the frame. also if anyone could suggest some frames. thank you.
My experience is limited to racing, but I would assume since I see frames and components designed for flatland or dirtjumping that the differences would be worth noting and taken into consideration when selecting a frame and parts. Obviously what I would want as a racer wouldn't suit if he wants to do flatland. Do you want front brakes if you are dirt jumping? I'm asking seriously, cause I wouldn't think so but don't know. I know I don't want them on a race bike.
The parts packages are clearly lined up for freestyle riding, more specifically for non-flatland use and you have to get to the upper two tiers of packages before you get chrome rims and some decent brakes, which are major items on any bike.
The packages definitely are 100% complete, except - NO FRONT BRAKES! I think this is notable for anyone riding street or vert. Front wheel tricks are all about adding style and skill to your riding and for flatland are absolutely mandatory.
The quality of the parts package is so-so no matter what though. Any product with the Poverty label on it (dans in-house brand) has had a pretty poor to fair reputation. No outstanding parts in the bunch that I have heard of. The cranks are definitely items that I have heard people complain about, so they are a long way off from Profile cranks. The wheelset seems good, but... well, I am of the opinion that for $500.00-$700.00 you will get a much better value for your money by buying a complete bike. At $200-$300.00 you can't do anything other than buy a complete bike really.
If you don't have good parts and you want to do a GOOD bike, then buy a complete bike that is good. The top of the line companies usually have bikes that are available that are top of the line as well.
I agree that the parts included are not anything outstanding. They seem to be complete packages, although I would have labeled them low to mid range race packages due to the lack of front brakes. You could always use the parts there to make a list of what you need and put together your own package if you were intent on building up your own bike. You're going to spend more money, but your going to have better components than the packages have in them. At the same time to build a bike of quality equal to what's on the market as a complete bike, you are going to spend a lot more money. Buy a bike and take it apart and put it back together again if it'll make you feel better.
Thanks for all the help. I want to do flatland. Since everyone says that the packages arent really that great can someone possible give me a list of what they think would be a good set up. Not the most expensive but i do have decent budget for the bike.
Dans has pretty much stopped dealing with flatland and has left all flatland in the very capable hands of Pat Schoolen over at flatlandfuel.
There are many important things to consider on your bike, most of all, if you don't have any parts right now, you can buy a complete bike which will last you a couple of years for a MUCH better price than building it up from scracth yourself.
The Hoffman Momentum EL1 is an excellent flatland bike with an incredible price. The Nankai freecoaster wheelset you really can't find except for about $200.00 at most places. That's over half the cost of the bike! So, if you spend $380 on the bike then you could drop some money on some really nice 3-piece cranks if you want or some upgraded bars or a shorter stem. There are other places you can spend your money and get more value out of your cash.
If you are parting up a bike then you should expect to pay nearly $1,000.00 to do so with quality components. If you get a lot of so-so components, then you should just buy a complete bike - NO MATTER WHAT! Don't waste your money on separate parts unless you are going to get top-notch separate parts. You save about 50% or more when buying a bike complete instead of parting it up with crap parts.
VERY good flatland bike:
St. Martin Darwin Frame: $319.00
Odyssey Pro Flat Fork: $85.00
HB Momentum Wheelset w/11 tooth driver: $220.00
4 x Odyssey Slic Cables: $12.00
Odyssey Modulvers: $35.00
2 x Odyssey Evolver Brakes: $60.00
KMC Z-Chain: $9.00
Hoffman Chain Tensioners: $8.00 (great price!)
Bizhouse Aerospace Bars: $85.00
Grips (any brand you like): $10.00
Huck Barends: $23.00
Sealed FSA Pig Headset: $40.00
Odyssey Gyro GTX-R: $45.00
KHE Stimulatorz Pedals: $16.00
2 Pairs: Arestic Sirencer Peg: $90.00
Primo Steroid Seat: $10.00
Odyssey Intak Seatpost: $20.00
Fuel Seatpost Clamp: $10.00
Brickhouse Stem: $60.00
3 x regular tubes (backup!): $6.00
2 x Primo Wall Tires 20x1.85: $32.00
Bizhouse 24 Tooth Henway Sprocket: $30.00
That's $1,225.00 and we don't have cranks on the bike yet. Let's add some GOOD cranks:
Profile Elite Flatland Cranks w/ Euro Bottom Bracket Upgrade: $240.00
Now, we can't go with 1-piece cranks because it is a Euro bottom bracket frame... There are also a lot of things that are out there that are less expensive. But, for your money, this is simply a top notch pro-level flatland bike that will make pretty much everyone (including me) jealous.
Now you see the price difference between a component built up bike and the other flatland complete bikes that are out there. You can buy a complete Hoffman for over a grand less, then upgrade the bars, stem, and cranks - and have money left over to buy a plane ticket to get to York Jam this year.
That's why I recommend a complete bike purchase in almost all situations if you don't have a solid basis to start from.
Thank you so much. One of the reason i want to build the bike up from scratch is because i want to be familiar with all the parts and everything. The list really helps a lot thanks so much. also anyone no some sites that can give technical advise on putting a bike together thanks again.
Working on the how-to -> fix your bike section of BMXTRIX right now. It's going to take no less than 1-2 months to put it all together and will be fully comprehensive. Very, VERY difficult to write. Probably will be the equivelent of 200 pages of writing.
That's a lot of writing for putting a bike together, but as you said yes it will be dificult to write. Going to be a long time lol. At least you do what the people need, your site shows tricks, building jumps, and everything else. It's a very nice site and everyone enjoys it. You give to the community Thanks lol
Yes, at the time of purchase Pat will switch out the Euro BB upgrade for less than if you have to order it separately.
If you are actually ordering this stuff do two things...
1. Let Pat know that this is all going together as a single bike and you want him to let you know if there is anything that may be missing from the package that you (or I) may have overlooked.
2. Let him know BMXTRIX sent you his way. I don't get money, just props from him and we support each other back and forth. I want him to know how much respect I have for him by sending people his way and helping his business to grow.
Thanks. I am not getting the stuff right away but soon but when i order it i will be sure to mention your name. is there a place where i can write it when i order or should i send it in one of his question e-mails? Thanks a lot again. I am gonna make the bike which you posted all the parts for. just need a little more $$$ but almost there.
Cranks... 160mm is pretty standard and a good size.
Forks.. 3/8" which is truly the standard for flatland. More and more riders who want to cut weight will be switching back before long.
I want to add, the axles that come with the wheels probably are 'generic' chromoly axles. They will bend and break within a few months of riding. This is normal. When you need to replace them, get some good Standard or Kink axles from flatlandfuel to replace them and the new axles should last you for months... or in my case, years.
Just put a note in to Pat whenever you feel like it. Maybe in an early email and then again when you order.