WolfgangVerne 

Just curious to see what some folks think about this, appears to be a rebadge from another maker (Possibly Chiorda?), the web didn't turn up many results outside of one bikeforum thread on a later entry level model. Any ideas on age and maker?

Thanks!

58cm Juventus Vintage Italian Racer

zukahn1 

Well it's a lower end model with chrome lugs does look like a lot of the stuff built by Chiorda, reminds me a bit of a lot of some Bottechias I have seen with chrome lugs on basically entry level bike. For a entry level bike in slightly rough shape bad paint a lot of rust patina on parts, even with the so so Campy bits and Italian style I think its only worth about half the asking price.

howsteepisit

The bad outweighs the good by a long shot. Steel rims, 3 piece steel hubs, Valentino front derailleur, looks like a grand sport rear, gas pipe frame. But its got campanology bits and chrome lugs and is from Italy. I'd say $100-$150 is quite generous.

randyjawa 

Old + lots of frame chrome + Campy bits and pieces = I would pay that much for the bike.

In my opinion, bikes like the OP's Juventus are becoming increasing sought after. They are cool looking, will offer a vintage ride quality that most will appreciate and, once again, the bike is old.

If it were me and if I were looking, I would not hesitate long to buy such a bicycle. In fact, I just finished building this old Torpado, which is close to identical, and I have a darn site more than $250 into it - but it is one very cool old Italian bicycle, in my opinion...

juvela

Had one just like this come through my workshop ~1972. Owner purchased it new in the ~1964 at a chainstore.

Frame constructed with the Agrati "ROMA" lugset nr. 000.8020/U. Upper head lug nr. 000.8024, lower head lug nr. 000.8023, seat lug nr. 000.8059. Fork crown Agrati "AM" series nr. 000,8048. Shell Agrati "AM" series nr. 000.8507. Fork ends Agrati nr. 000.8010. Dropouts Agrati nr. 000.8002. Pedals, saddle, brake hoods and bottle cage not original. Simplex hubs valuable to collector.

Importer may have only brought them in in this one size, for this batch. Example I had was the same.

Headplate features image of discus thrower.

The forum has had one or two earlier threads on this marque.

juvela

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Five weeks later it remains unsold. Seller sticking to price...at least on paper.

Vintage Italian Racer Juventus 58cm Campagnolo Road Bike

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T-Mar

Juventus is Latin for "youth". This one is difficult to peg as to age and manufacturer. The frame appears to be entry level based on the stamped dropouts and top tube cable stops. It also has steel rims. The fork reflectors, if OEM, would put it firmly boom era, but the Gran Sport derailleurs, if OEM, would place it earlier. Pedals, saddle and brake hoods are obvious replacements.

I have seen some other samples of Juventus that were clearly Chiorda product, as they went so far as to claim the Chiorda/Magni victories in the decals. However, that does not appear to be the case with this sample. I'm not sure what it is.

There's clearly some value here with the Gran Sport derailleurs and Simplex skewers, but it's not worth anywhere near $300.

lostarchitect 

This is one of those bikes, like the ever-popular Atala Gran Prix, which is charming to look at but not really anything special. Actually the Atala is better because it has aluminum rims. Almost all of the value is in the Campagnolo parts. I think this is worth 1/3 to 1/2 the asking price.