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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Wrench View Post
    If I didn't know anything about bikes and wanted something used, I'd probably buy a bicycle from a shop too.

    My problem is my bicycles are boring. Practically nobody cares about classic steel road bikes, they are better than your x mart bicycle but still boring. The only person who would possibly be excited to buy the bikes I sell are somebody who has never ridden a bicycle before, People who want a bicycle for transportation, or something to exercise on. But the last two reasons, those people would probably want something more exciting like an aluminum bike. People like mountain bikes cause that's an exciting sport, almost nobody is excited by classic steel road bikes. I could probably sell more bikes if I could get people in Kansas City excited about riding in traffic around town.
    Here in Toronto there is a market for old steel. The messenger business converts a lot of old steel into fixies. And even the unconverted go for a good price. A bottom level Raleigh or similar mid 80s bike in good condition and ready to ride regularly get advertised at $200. We have a lot of riders, even in winter.

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    Bump for a quick flipping question. What's the consensus on reflectors?

    I don't have reflectors on any of my keeper bikes, but I can imagine others may appreciate them. In this specific example, I am restoring/flipping a very original Trek 520 with the OEM reflectors. Part of me says they dtract from the look of the bike, while the other side of me says keep 'em because they are original and 1) may be valued by collectors, or 2) may be valued as a safety item on a likely commuter bike. At the very least I would put the reflectors (front, rear, and wheel) in a bag and pass them on to the next owner. Does it make sense to keep the reflectors on the bike when taking photos for resale?

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    I always remove reflectors, dork disks and kick stands no matter if they are original or what... unless the bike looks near mint them i might leave the dork disk. none of the bikes that i've gotten in good enough condition to consider leaving reflectors have actually had reflectors so it hasn't mattered
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
    Bump for a quick flipping question. What's the consensus on reflectors?

    I don't have reflectors on any of my keeper bikes, but I can imagine others may appreciate them. In this specific example, I am restoring/flipping a very original Trek 520 with the OEM reflectors. Part of me says they dtract from the look of the bike, while the other side of me says keep 'em because they are original and 1) may be valued by collectors, or 2) may be valued as a safety item on a likely commuter bike. At the very least I would put the reflectors (front, rear, and wheel) in a bag and pass them on to the next owner. Does it make sense to keep the reflectors on the bike when taking photos for resale?
    Perhaps , might indicate the bike was never ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
    Bump for a quick flipping question. What's the consensus on reflectors?

    I don't have reflectors on any of my keeper bikes, but I can imagine others may appreciate them. In this specific example, I am restoring/flipping a very original Trek 520 with the OEM reflectors. Part of me says they dtract from the look of the bike, while the other side of me says keep 'em because they are original and 1) may be valued by collectors, or 2) may be valued as a safety item on a likely commuter bike. At the very least I would put the reflectors (front, rear, and wheel) in a bag and pass them on to the next owner. Does it make sense to keep the reflectors on the bike when taking photos for resale?
    Depends on the bike. Road bikes? Nope, remove them, someone buying a road bike won't care. Town and Country and/or any other bike I sell...only if they're damaged or not in a pair...aka if the wheel reflectors are the same and in ok shape and not in the way of cleaning/truing the wheel, I leave them. Ditto with front and tail, however if they are damaged, I just remove them and move on, I usually never replace.

    Exceptions are older bikes with metal fenders, they tend to look better with reflectors then not.

    I also always try to leave the dork disk if it is complete, more for safety then looks on bikes I'm selling. My own fleet I don't actually care as I keep them in tune, but if a bike I sell 10 years down the road wrecks the rear wheel because I removed the dork disk thinking it looked better, well, that's no good. Metals ones can be polished and add a bit of bling to the bike. If they are broken however I will just remove them if I don't have a spare laying around.

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    Reflectors... there are laws that govern this, but, who would enforce them? I keep them in a box incase somebody wants them installed.
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    ^Thanks, everyone, for the input. The reflectors are coming off but they'll stay with the bike in case the next owner wants them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curbtender View Post
    Reflectors... there are laws that govern this, but, who would enforce them? I keep them in a box incase somebody wants them installed.
    I removed a reflector from a Bridgestone headset and had to get a 2mm spacer to keep the locknut tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Randy View Post
    I removed a reflector from a Bridgestone headset and had to get a 2mm spacer to keep the locknut tight.
    ...that sucks.

    I take the wheel mounted off but I leave on any F/B reflectors already installed. ...people rellay seem to hate them around here.

    ...plus, if you want to be really cool ...it's easy to fine stickers to match you unique personality.

    They were stocking a BELL bell at Target that came with cool round stickers [throw bell away, it sounds more embarrassing than all of this]

    ...gonna mount the the ☮ up front forever though man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayButros View Post
    ...that sucks.

    I take the wheel mounted off but I leave on any F/B reflectors already installed. ...people rellay seem to hate them around here.

    ...plus, if you want to be really cool ...it's easy to fine stickers to match you unique personality.

    They were stocking a BELL bell at Target that came with cool round stickers [throw bell away, it sounds more embarrassing than all of this]

    ...gonna mount the the ☮ up front forever though man.
    Did the package say "stainless steel construction"? LOL
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    I do a bit of flipping, but I'm really picky on the bikes I work with. For me, I walk away from a bike with anything beyond a minor bit of surface rust on exposed metal parts. A rusted chain is no big deal unless the gears and derailleurs are rusted as well as I put chains in the same category with other wear items (brake pads, cables, tires, etc.). Just be aware, if a chain is badly rusted and/or worn, there is a fairly good probability that the gears may be well worn and need replacing too. Ultimately, it comes down to whether the parts and work required will still leave any profit on a flip and that really depends on your local market.

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    Does anybody know what local markets tend to be by region? I'm in Indiana's largest city so there is some market but I'm sure prices are much lower than states that are warm all year. There is one guy who flips bikes in my area but his craigslist prices always seem way too high and I have no way of knowing what he actually sells them for.

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    I strongly believe a bicycle is a lifetime investment. In today's consumer society people are of the opinion that everything has a dollar value. Find a steel bike you love to ride and cherish it as the work of art it is. If you must sell the bike, find a buyer with passion who wants to know your machines history.

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    are you wanting to buy then flip yourself or are you just collecting?
    Quote Originally Posted by Countdown48 View Post
    Does anybody know what local markets tend to be by region? I'm in Indiana's largest city so there is some market but I'm sure prices are much lower than states that are warm all year. There is one guy who flips bikes in my area but his craigslist prices always seem way too high and I have no way of knowing what he actually sells them for.
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    Hey all, has anyone traveled to a better bike market to flip their bikes? I live in a rural area where department store bikes are king and people wouldn't consider riding an old ten speed. People who would aren't inclined to drive an hour or more for a used bike. It works to my advantage at garage sales but it makes selling them locally difficult. I occasionally bring bikes with to sell when I go to larger cities. I was just wondering if anyone has found it profitable to post a cl ad, haul load of bikes a few hours a way, and make a lot more money. Of course you'd have to factor in gas, time, finding a place to set up shop and sell, flaky buyers etc. It still seems like a potentially viable way to get more cash out of your flips. Any thoughts or experiences from rural folks?

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    Depends on the bike. Nicer bikes, say $200 bikes, people will drive to see, just post ads in the big markets but make sure you mention where you are. Otherwise, you just have to discount and spread your name around. People will often ask if you can bring the bike to the "city", that call is up to you. I never bother, if they want it, come get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countdown48 View Post
    Does anybody know what local markets tend to be by region? I'm in Indiana's largest city so there is some market but I'm sure prices are much lower than states that are warm all year. There is one guy who flips bikes in my area but his craigslist prices always seem way too high and I have no way of knowing what he actually sells them for.
    I would think Bloomington would be a good market starting right now as students and visiting scholars populate the campus. I used to live in Ann Arbor, but moved an hour east. I still visit on Wednesdays to partake in a wine tasting club. So I advertise in Ann Arbor and say I am available on Wednesdays, sometimes 3-4 showings in an afternoon. I will meet near campus as many don't have vehicles. The students in South Bend may be wealthier and can by higher end bikes, but they already own Lexus SUVs and BMWs, and the drive is 2X further!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countdown48;1692l
    Does anybody know what local markets tend to be by region? I'm in Indiana's largest city so there is some market but I'm sure prices are much lower than states that are warm all year. There is one guy who flips bikes in my area but his craigslist prices always seem way too high and I have no way of knowing what he actually sells them for.
    The hottest markets out there are not warm all year. Think Toronto, NYC, Minneapolis, even Portland, Oregon. Based on riding weather, San Diego should be the best market. It's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    The hottest markets out there are not warm all year. Think Toronto, NYC, Minneapolis, even Portland, Oregon. Based on riding weather, San Diego should be the best market. It's not.
    Any city from DC to Boston along the 95 corridor.

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    As a non-flipper, I am going to throw my two cents in and say, I like flippers. Honestly, without people actively searching for, fixing up and selling, there is a lot of cool steel that would never be ridden. That it might make it harder for some people who are not in the business and feel that they are crimping their style, but honestly, to bad. Flippers provide a great service to the majority of the population.

    So thanks!

    I also like this thread - very informative!

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    Yeah in some markets, flippers are the ones that keep the wheels turning. But in victoria, even old steel bikes are often advertised for 200 bucks. And then we end up with some flippers that snap up the good deals just so they can put the bike back up the next day fro 200 dollars more just because they no people have no choice but to pay more if they want a bike. It makes it hard to get good deals, and it really drives the prices up. Basically any bike around here thats a good deal, you have to get to it within hours or its gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by WynnT View Post
    ............ Basically any bike around here thats a good deal, you have to get to it within hours or its gone
    The same could be same about cars, homes, whatever. Everyone is always ready to jump on a deal. Don't assume the lucky buyer is a flipper.... although many do work hard to fine the good deals.

    I wouldn't call myself a flipper! I do however like to wrench on classic old vintage bicycles for fun. And then... after a period of time and enjoyment I do sell the bikes. But I have also given away a couple as well. It's not profit that motivates me. Every "good deal" I've found (a couple within minutes of being posted on CL)..... needed real repairs and TLC.

    Pretty much every dollar I've earned recycling these old classics I've put right back into other bicycle equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    The same could be same about cars, homes, whatever. Everyone is always ready to jump on a deal. Don't assume the lucky buyer is a flipper.... although many do work hard to fine the good deals.

    I wouldn't call myself a flipper! I do however like to wrench on classic old vintage bicycles for fun. And then... after a period of time and enjoyment I do sell the bikes. But I have also given away a couple as well. It's not profit that motivates me. Every "good deal" I've found (a couple within minutes of being posted on CL)..... needed real repairs and TLC.

    Pretty much every dollar I've earned recycling these old classics I've put right back into other bicycle equipment.
    +1

    As someone that does flip bikes...well...I more often tear down and distribute the parts...I guess I am a parts distributor more than a flipper...but...I do, occasionally, flip bikes as well...particularly when there is one that is well done...

    Anyway...I find that "us flippers" are NOT the ones that drive up prices (well, there are a few in the Atlanta area that do stupid things!)...but...the people that buy bikes without knowing their real value. I have seen very marginal, Hi Ten bikes go for $500 or more here in the Atlanta area...bikes whose value was more like $50 (think Schwinn Varsity level...and I like the Varsity, it is just not worth that). Having lived in NH for 3 years...and finding it to be a very good market (near Boston) for buying/trading/selling bikes...Atlanta is much higher priced...and, IMHO, it is due to disposable income and buying bikes are inflated prices...but...as a form of "flipper"...I cannot afford to do that.
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    I find silly high prices on C/L HELP me sell bikes. I had a Shogun I was selling for $200 earlier this year. Some nut was asking $450 for the same bike. So a buyer shows up, looks at my bike, asks why I am not asking more? I told him, well, I could charge you $300 if you would like, but I am fine with $200. He was happy, I was happy.

    The more overpriced and underprepared bikes are on C/L, the better mine look with nice preparation and realistic prices.

    As far as buyers falling for the overpriced stuff, I have very little sympathy. In this day of instant access to information, there is no excuse for buying anything without basic knowledge. Best to learn this lesson with something relatively cheap, like a bicycle, rather than learn this lesson on an expensive purchase like a car or a house.

    People that just randomly buy stuff because it "looks cool" are subject to getting screwed, on ANY purchase. Its their choice. No access to the internet? Very little sympathy there as well, as pretty much every library out there has free internet. Its all about being L A Z Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
    Anyway...I find that "us flippers" are NOT the ones that drive up prices (well, there are a few in the Atlanta area that do stupid things!)...but...the people that buy bikes without knowing their real value. I have seen very marginal, Hi Ten bikes go for $500 or more here in the Atlanta area...bikes whose value was more like $50 (think Schwinn Varsity level...and I like the Varsity, it is just not worth that). Having lived in NH for 3 years...and finding it to be a very good market (near Boston) for buying/trading/selling bikes...Atlanta is much higher priced...and, IMHO, it is due to disposable income and buying bikes are inflated prices...but...as a form of "flipper"...I cannot afford to do that.
    Do you have actual knowledge that the high tensile bikes are being sold for the asking prices? That info would have to come from from the buyer and/or seller. Otherwise, you're just like the CL sellers who find a BBC ad on ebay and assume that is what the bike FMV should be, rather look at closed and sold transactions. For example, there is a local CL ad for a Centurion Ironman single speed for $950. Does that make it FMV? Obviously not.

    Even ebay is subject to overstating, because I locally pick up bikes rather than pay $40-$100 shipping fees. The other day I bid and won a bike at $80, but upon inspection there were issues and we made the deal at $40. But the sale on ebay is reported at $80.
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