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Old 04-03-09, 09:53 PM   #1
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Another bike that does not fit- Nishiki Professional

I picked up another bike that doesn’t fit me. A 63cm Nishiki Professional. At least think it is professional, it is hard to read. The serial number on the bike is KA 14543. I have no idea what year it might be.

The bike is light, but does not have stickers indicating what tubing it might have been. The one downside is that there are a considerable number of rust spots on the frame. Some look pretty bad.

The front derailleur, cranks, and shifters all say campagnolo on them. The hubs say campagnolo record, the front rim is araya, and the rear rim is mavic. The brakes and brake levers are campagnolo.

The stem and bars are both cinelli. The saddle is a s.marco supercorsa. The pedals are shimano PD-M515.

The one thing that does not seem to fit is a rear derailleur - it is a suntour cyclone 7000. The rear is a six speed.

There are several problems with the bike. First, is that the front derailleur does not shift. It was on the small chain ring when I got it, and it shifted to the large, but it won’t shift back. Can anyone tell me how to adjust it? Or at least ID the front derailleur so I can do a search.

The second problem is that “arm” on the rear derailleur hits the spokes when it is moved to the largest chain ring in the back. I looked at it, and it appears as though the “arm” might be bent. Or maybe the whole thing is just not on straight. Any ideas as what to do?

Third question—are those pedals possibly still any good? I have never used clipless pedals, but I am thinking about trying it. If I could get cleats for those pedals I might try it.

Fourth—what should I do about all the rust?

Finally—what might this thing be worth? I paid 20 bucks for it at goodwill. Keep in mind that frame has many large (quarter size) rust spots. I am going to try and get it working ok, and then loan it to my tall friend for use in our upcoming sprint triathlon at the end of May. He was otherwise going to use his wife’s beach cruiser (he is a cheap *****). I figure I will flip it after that, or sell it to him if he likes it. But I want to have an idea what it might be worth before I do that.

Thanks again for helping a newbie

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Old 04-03-09, 09:56 PM   #2
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It doesn't fit you.... I'm assuming it's too big of a frame?

I'd tear it all apart and use the Campy stuff for another build, or sell it off piece meal.
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How come I can't find anything like that around here? You got a super score with that. The parts alone are worth a few hundred bucks easily on Ebay. All of the Campagnolo parts I see all seem to be Nuovo Record. It was the top of the line stuff in the early 70's and then "second best" after Super Record came out.

The front derailleur problem could be as simple as some lube and/or a new cable. The cable needs to move freely through the housing. Disconnect the cable for the front derailleur and turn the cranks. If it is the cable it should drop down to the small chainring. If it doesn't the front derailleur is probably a little rusty and not moving like it should. Hit it with some bike lube and by hand move the cage back and forth (like the cable would). This should fix the problem.

As for the rear derailleur you first need to make sure the derailleur hanger isn't bet. There is a tool to see that. Check when in the smallest cog in the rear. does the cage of the derailleur looked angled when viewed from the rear? If it is the hanger could be bent and so could the cage of the derailleur. If you don't have the know how and/or tools for the job you might want to take it to a LBS and have them look over the rear derailleur. If the hanger is bent it can be straightened easily. If the cage is bent usually that can be fixed by bending it back as well.

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It doesn't fit you.... I'm assuming it's too big of a frame?

I'd tear it all apart and use the Campy stuff for another build, or sell it off piece meal.
Yeah, it is too big for me. In fact, I already have a 61cm Schwinn Circuit, the subject of another thread, that is really too big for me. But I am trying to make that one work.

I don't know if I have the know how to part it out.

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I suggest you read a lot of sheldon brown before you attempt any more work on the bike.
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How come I can't find anything like that around here? You got a super score with that. The parts alone are worth a few hundred bucks easily on Ebay. All of the Campagnolo parts I see all seem to be Nuovo Record. It was the top of the line stuff in the early 70's and then "second best" after Super Record came out.
Wow, I did not expect that.

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The front derailleur problem could be as simple as some lube and/or a new cable. The cable needs to move freely through the housing. Disconnect the cable for the front derailleur and turn the cranks. If it is the cable it should drop down to the small chainring. If it doesn't the front derailleur is probably a little rusty and not moving like it should. Hit it with some bike lube and by hand move the cage back and forth (like the cable would). This should fix the problem.
There is no cable housing for the front derailleur. It is bare all the way from the shifters to the derailleur. There are some guides on the frame for it.

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As for the rear derailleur you first need to make sure the derailleur hanger isn't bet. There is a tool to see that. Check when in the smallest cog in the rear. does the cage of the derailleur looked angled when viewed from the rear? If it is the hanger could be bent and so could the cage of the derailleur. If you don't have the know how and/or tools for the job you might want to take it to a LBS and have them look over the rear derailleur. If the hanger is bent it can be straightened easily. If the cage is bent usually that can be fixed by bending it back as well.
I took a look at this. There is something funky. At first I thought the hanger was bent. But after looking at closer it looks like the derailleur is not fitting flush up against the hanger. I am not sure why. I tried to snug it down, but it was already tight. Can I just take off the derailleur and see if something is keeping it from snugging down flush with the hanger?

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Yes, an 8274 Warn on a 80 series landcruiser. Both are two of the best ever. IMHO.

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I don't know if I have the know how to part it out.
Chain breaker & some allen wrenches should get most of it, if not all of it.
It's really easy to tear one apart. Putting one back together (correctly)... not so much!
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You're in Mesa??? I'm in Tempe. You can come over to my house and I can help you out.
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Chain breaker & some allen wrenches should get most of it, if not all of it.
It's really easy to tear one apart. Putting one back together (correctly)... not so much!
It is not so much the taking it apart, as the correctly identifying and characterizing all the parts. I would probably get in trouble selling something that didn't work right or wasn't quite what I said it was. If I sell, I would rather just sell the whole bike to someone local who could check it out in person. Let someone with more knowledge piece it out.

But first I really want to make it work well enough for my cheap ***** friend to use it in one 15 mile sprint tri.

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Still, you can bring it over and I'll show you what to do to get it running right. I'm happy to help.
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You're in Mesa??? I'm in Tempe. You can come over to my house and I can help you out.
Yeah I am Mesa. Thanks for the offer-- if and when I get over my head I might just take you up on that.

You know there is a bike swap meet on Sunday in Tempe? I was planning on going, but only to get rid of some parts I have lying around.

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It is not so much the taking it apart, as the correctly identifying and characterizing all the parts. I would probably get in trouble selling something that didn't work right or wasn't quite what I said it was. If I sell, I would rather just sell the whole bike to someone local who could check it out in person. Let someone with more knowledge piece it out.

But first I really want to make it work well enough for my cheap ***** friend to use it in one 15 mile sprint tri.

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If you do piece it out, just take a lot of pictures, making sure that any engravings/labels on the parts are readable. Ebay buyers will figure it out and ask you any questions if there is any doubt, it is a very efficient marketplace. I've had a lot of things go for a lot more money than I ever expected because some collector community out there immediately recognized the part I was selling.
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OK, I loosened the mounting bolt the derailleur and tightened it back up. And the derailleur arm no longer hits the spokes. But it is still close to the spokes, and it still doesn't look straight, so I doubt I really fixed it. There seems to be a lot of the play in the whole derailleur even with the mounting bolt snugged up tight. Play that lets it move back and forth (toward and away from the wheel). I am not sure if that is really normal. I will compare to the other bikes sitting in garage.

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Excellent advice. I went to his site, and found the instructions for adjusting the front derailleur. After figuring out that the my cable was to adjusted to be short, and following his instructions on the high and low limit stops, the front derailleur works great.

But now my rear derailleur is in the spokes again when on biggest gear.

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But now my rear derailleur is in the spokes again when on biggest gear.
This can be fixed.
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I suggest you read a lot of sheldon brown before you attempt any more work on the bike.
While I'm sure you mean well here, if you're going to come down on someone new like that it would be kind to supply a little more guidance re: what it is you think they should study. Maybe with some actual hyperlinks. That was a little harsh.

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On the other hand....

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Excellent advice. I went to his site, and found the instructions for adjusting the front derailleur. After figuring out that the my cable was to adjusted to be short, and following his instructions on the high and low limit stops, the front derailleur works great.
maybe a little harshness is effective.

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From the pics, I suspected a bent dropout hanger, not a bent cage, as the whole body appears twisted. From your description, the Suntour RD's mounting bolt is loose in the upper body. The bolt should have a corresponding slotted 'nut' that can be adjusted to tune out any play. This 'nut' butts up against the hanger once installed. There should also be a small screw to trim the angle of the RD in relation to the angle of the freewheel cogs.

Of course, the Suntour could have been damaged sometime in its past.

Looks like you have a Campy Super Record FD. Sweet!

If those SPD pedals spin smooth and have no slop in the axles, you're good to go, just buy some replacement cleats.
515's were entry level pedals, if they have signs of wear, toss them. To disassemble the axles requires a special Shimano spline tool.


You gotta tell me about this Goodwill shop.

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problem is that even with pictures, talking somebody through a procedure with text takes a LOT longer than just showing somebody in person, plus they get their hands dirty and develop a feel for things you have to "feel" to get right, so it's priceless. In other words: you will learn more and get it done faster and better if you take the bike to somebody skilled and patient with teaching (let's assume that describes frpax) than you will by back-n-forth postings to this forum, no matter how good our members are at this (and they ARE good). Sheldon is the next-best option if you don't have a frpax in the neighborhood.
Oh, BTW, for $20 you STOLE that bike, great find!
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That could be a Nishiki Ultimate. Mine is a 1981 (maybe 1982) according to the components. If the dropouts are Campag, that would clinch it. My s/n is KA 14364.


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maybe a little harshness is effective.
It certainly worked

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That could be a Nishiki Ultimate. Mine is a 1981 (maybe 1982) according to the components. If the dropouts are Campag, that would clinch it. My s/n is KA 14364.


That looks just like this bike. The colors are identical. The wording on the top tube is "profes" (the rest of the letters cannot read), so maybe they just switched the names around. Although from my serial number this one is an 81 as well.

And the dropouts are campy on this bike.

What else do you know about the frame?

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From the pics, I suspected a bent dropout hanger, not a bent cage, as the whole body appears twisted. From your description, the Suntour RD's mounting bolt is loose in the upper body.
Yeah, that describes it pretty well.

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I will look into this.

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That looks just like this bike. The colors are identical. The wording on the top tube is "profes" (the rest of the letters cannot read), so maybe they just switched the names around. Although from my serial number this one is an 81 as well.

And the dropouts are campy on this bike.

What else do you know about the frame?

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I bought this bike new at the LBS back around 1982 or so. It never appeared in the Nishiki catalogue. Around that time Nishiki had another undocumented high end bike with the frame made by Colnago called the Maxima (I saw a frame at the LBS) and one other one that starts with a "C" I believe.

As you can see, the angles on mine are relatively slack, probably because it's a 21". Don't know the tubing, other than it's double butted chrome moly and the bike weighs 20.5 pounds.

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Holy cow, great find! I will give you 40.00...double your money

Since the frame doesn't fit keep the nice campy parts and sell the frame. It shouldn't be hard to find a frame in your size, you can use the money you make from the nishiki.

I would take the offer of help, the more I learn the more I catch my own mistakes. The stuff you have is valuable on the market so I wouldn't risk it.
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If you part it out I'll take the front derailleur.
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