ID/Value CCM vintage road bike (Reynolds ??? frame?)
09-08-09, 04:47 PM
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ID/Value CCM vintage road bike (Reynolds ??? frame?)
Hi, I picked up this old CCM bike. It seemed pretty light, and that's when I noticed it had a Reynolds sticker, but not sure which grade, because of the condition of the sticker. Pretty sure "3" is one of the numbers. Could it be 513?
What about the saddle... any way to identify if it's a Brooks leather saddle?
The rims are "Ambrosia". Is that alloy/alum.? Crankwheel is Sugino.
Weinmann brakes or Simplex derailleur any good? (Guessing not)
What would you say is the value today?
What about the saddle... any way to identify if it's a Brooks leather saddle?
The rims are "Ambrosia". Is that alloy/alum.? Crankwheel is Sugino.
Weinmann brakes or Simplex derailleur any good? (Guessing not)
What would you say is the value today?
09-08-09, 07:46 PM
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The bicycle is a CCM Mistral, circa 1974-1976. Frame is plain gauge Reynolds 531 main tubes with hi-tensile forks and stays. Good wheels with aluminum rims and Shimano QR hubs. Simplex derailleur is OK for this era, not good, definitely not great. Weinann center-pull brakes were considered good in their day. Sugino Maxy crankset was good except the outer ring is fixed. Mine came with a Brooks Pro, but I saw them come though with various saddles.
The Mistral was 3rd from the top in a line-up of 5 lightweight models. Geometry is recreational touring. Workmanship was sporadic. Orignal price $175-$200 CDN depending on year.
These bicycles were very hard to sell. Comparable models such as the Sekine SHS easily outsold the Mistral due to better derailleurs, finish and consistent workmanship.
Edit: for me, value is primarily in the wheels and maybe the saddle. In my low priced market, you might get $50 for it. I wouldn't want to guess what it might go for in a high priced market, like Toronto.
The Mistral was 3rd from the top in a line-up of 5 lightweight models. Geometry is recreational touring. Workmanship was sporadic. Orignal price $175-$200 CDN depending on year.
These bicycles were very hard to sell. Comparable models such as the Sekine SHS easily outsold the Mistral due to better derailleurs, finish and consistent workmanship.
Edit: for me, value is primarily in the wheels and maybe the saddle. In my low priced market, you might get $50 for it. I wouldn't want to guess what it might go for in a high priced market, like Toronto.
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Wow, you're good. Thanks! More info than I could have hoped for. I would think though, if the saddle is a leather Brooks, and the wheels are good, the bike as a whole must be worth more than $50 bucks (in Mtl.). I don't know how much Brooks leather saddles are, but I know they're not cheap.
The bicycle is a CCM Mistral, circa 1974-1976. Frame is plain gauge Reynolds 531 main tubes with hi-tensile forks and stays. Good wheels with aluminum rims and Shimano QR hubs. Simplex derailleur is OK for this era, not good, definitely not great. Weinann center-pull brakes were considered good in their day. Sugino Maxy crankset was good except the outer ring is fixed. Mine came with a Brooks Pro, but I saw them come though with various saddles.
The Mistral was 3rd from the top in a line-up of 5 lightweight models. Geometry is recreational touring. Workmanship was sporadic. Orignal price $175-$200 CDN depending on year.
These bicycles were very hard to sell. Comparable models such as the Sekine SHS easily outsold the Mistral due to better derailleurs, finish and consistent workmanship.
Edit: for me, value is primarily in the wheels and maybe the saddle. In my low priced market, you might get $50 for it. I wouldn't want to guess what it might go for in a high priced market, like Toronto.
The Mistral was 3rd from the top in a line-up of 5 lightweight models. Geometry is recreational touring. Workmanship was sporadic. Orignal price $175-$200 CDN depending on year.
These bicycles were very hard to sell. Comparable models such as the Sekine SHS easily outsold the Mistral due to better derailleurs, finish and consistent workmanship.
Edit: for me, value is primarily in the wheels and maybe the saddle. In my low priced market, you might get $50 for it. I wouldn't want to guess what it might go for in a high priced market, like Toronto.
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Well, having managed an LBS that sold CCM during this period certainly helps. Also, having this model in my current stable, doesn't hurt. Unfortunately, mine is a repaint.
Undoubtedly, the bicycle would sell for more in a large, upscale market like Montreal, particularly with all the post secondary schools. However, my point is that I cannot give you a reasonable estimate, as I only have passing familiarity with the Montreal market. It could be $100, maybe $200, I just don't know. Sorry.
As for the saddle, I'm pretty sure it's not a Brooks or even a Wright. I went back though some of my CCM parts catalogues of the era and it is simply decribed as a Deluxe Leather Racing Saddle. That's usually a pretty good indicator that it's not a major brand.
If you do obtain the bicycle, I can provide the exact year via the serial number, which is located on the left side of the seat tube, just above the bottom bracket shell.
Undoubtedly, the bicycle would sell for more in a large, upscale market like Montreal, particularly with all the post secondary schools. However, my point is that I cannot give you a reasonable estimate, as I only have passing familiarity with the Montreal market. It could be $100, maybe $200, I just don't know. Sorry.
As for the saddle, I'm pretty sure it's not a Brooks or even a Wright. I went back though some of my CCM parts catalogues of the era and it is simply decribed as a Deluxe Leather Racing Saddle. That's usually a pretty good indicator that it's not a major brand.
If you do obtain the bicycle, I can provide the exact year via the serial number, which is located on the left side of the seat tube, just above the bottom bracket shell.
09-09-09, 07:43 AM
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Assuming its not a Brooks, it sure does look like one. So would there be a difference in the functionality; ie. a reason for someone to get a "real" Brooks, other than the name?
