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    Help Plz. Simonetti (Medici) Alu frame with Dura-Ace STI

    Hey guys,

    This would be my first road bike with STI levers, I'm planning on taking it to school next year with me to join the cycling team.

    heres the guys description

    "Simonetti aluminum powder coated frame (56cm), older type Shimano 8speed Dura Ace group about 50 miles on the wheels." Wheels are mavic open pros





    He tells me that his friend rode it for 1 season then he powder coated it (applied stickers & clear coat) and rode it for a couple of seasons himself.

    Now i know the entire simonetti & howard "hair bandit scandal", yet I also know that simonetti was a top class frame builder that built for masi & later on medici.

    Would this be a good investment, or am I just in for a headache. How does the old Dura ace compare to the modern components of today? Am i better off finding a newer bike? I'm 5'9 by the way and I have an inseam of 32.5.

    Thanks in advance! The seller is a nice guy and is asking 300 obo, im going to check it out today, 35 min drive.
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    Old Dura Ace is good stuff. Thoroughly run through the gears to make sure the STI levers work properly. If they're gummed up they can be flushed and lubbed. If they're broken.....paperweights.

    $300 is a good price for a full Dura Ace bike.
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    maimijim, everything is working fine on the bike, how would this compare to the newer entry level bikes today that cost around 700 or so? (with new 105 or whatever).

    Im guessing the frame will be an amazing ride considering it was put together by Gian Simonetti.

    thanks for the quick response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBSONATOR View Post
    maimijim, everything is working fine on the bike, how would this compare to the newer entry level bikes today that cost around 700 or so? (with new 105 or whatever).

    Im guessing the frame will be an amazing ride considering it was put together by Gian Simonetti.

    thanks for the quick response.

    I have no clue who Simonetti is so I cant comment. My advice to you is to ignore the name as it will cloud your judgement. Simply look at the bike for what it is.....an aluminum framed road bike with Dura Ace and STI levers. Is it worth $300? Yes. Should you be in your car picking it up versus waiting for a mythical BF C&V answer that will never come? Yes.

    Its different than a $700 entry level bike because its under valued by $150 and a modern bike with a MSRP of $700 is only worth $500 due to first year depreciation.

    IMHO any welded aluminum road bike from that era, with the exception of Klein, is nothing more than a run of the mill frame.
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    +1 Ignore the brand on the frame. Whatever collectable value it had is mostly gone with the repaint. Base the value on the components, and the weight of the bike. Good price IMHO.

    +1 Assume frame is run of the mill. Its all about the components, which sound very nice!

    And where are you going to find a brand new 105 bike for $700? The bike shops around here want over $800 for a SORA/Tiagra bike and well over $1000 for 105 bikes.

    Any clean bike around here with brifters will bring at least $300. A DuraAce brifter bike would bring more. And if it still for sale, get over there now, consider making an offer, but if he doesn't bite, pay full asking price.

    All of this assumes everything works well.

    As far as sizing, you need to determine whether it fits.

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    I'll just mention the practical issue of 8S Dura/Ace having compatibility issues with everything else Shimano and newer Shimano groups. The levers don't pull the same amount of cable per shift. Look at the cassette, if it's the old "twist-tooth" pattern from 1988 you won't be able to find replacement cassettes. It shouldn't have that to match the rest of the group but check. If it's got the more modern cogs (small ramp like features stamped into the cogs) you're good with all standard 8/9/10 speed Shimano / Sram cassettes. Those should be excellent wheels.

    It was a very good group that should work well for you.

    Myself, I'd think of this more as a good rider than as a race tool. But for 300 bones and being readily available, that's sorta flexible. It's a good bike buy that you can certainly get your money out of if it doesn't suit you or if you outgrow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronsonic View Post
    I'll just mention the practical issue of 8S Dura/Ace having compatibility issues with everything else Shimano and newer Shimano groups. The levers don't pull the same amount of cable per shift. Look at the cassette, if it's the old "twist-tooth" pattern from 1988 you won't be able to find replacement cassettes. It shouldn't have that to match the rest of the group but check. If it's got the more modern cogs (small ramp like features stamped into the cogs) you're good with all standard 8/9/10 speed Shimano / Sram cassettes. Those should be excellent wheels.

    It was a very good group that should work well for you.

    Myself, I'd think of this more as a good rider than as a race tool. But for 300 bones and being readily available, that's sorta flexible. It's a good bike buy that you can certainly get your money out of if it doesn't suit you or if you outgrow it.

    Newer cogs can be substitued for the older cogs. Problem fixed.
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    I have a new shimano HG series 12?/26 8spd cassette on my paramount, dura ace equipped, all runs fine.
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    I think an 8-sp DA STI bike for $300 is a good buy with a decent frame, a real bargain if your frame is higher end. I'm with norskagent. I have 3 bikes with either the DA 8-sp STI or the 600 8-sp STI. They all work fine, use readily available 8-sp cassettes on modern wheels.
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    It really was the nicest guy. My only concern was that the rd needs some adjustment (clicking sound). he included a new ultegra rd too.

    The bike has dura-ace everything, except for the headset, which is a stronglight.
    (i put on my ultegra spd-sl's, they weigh a few grams more than the dura ace spd-r's. )

    and I forgot to mention, It fits me perfectly!




    more here: http://picasaweb.google.com/syassami/Simonetti#
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    Really nice find! Congratulations!

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    Part of the problem may be an incompatibilty issue with the 8-speed DA STI's and that rear derailleur.

    Pre-'97 74xx DA shouldnt be paired with 77XX and higher DA. My advice is to sell both the Ultegra and Dura Ace thats on the bike and acquire an older DA 74XX RD.

    Overall you did well. And it fits!!
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    This is my ~1990 DA rear derailleur:

    Not sure if it's compatible with higher than 8 speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norskagent View Post
    This is my ~1990 DA rear derailleur:

    Not sure if it's compatible with higher than 8 speeds.
    No, technicaly its not. Yours is a 74XX.

    74XX = 6,7 or 8 speeds 7402 should be a the 8-speed
    77XX = 9 speeds
    78XX = 9 or10 speed
    79XX = 10 speed
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    Looks really kick a$$. I am assuming the stronglight headseat is the A9 needle bearing, which seems to have a very strong following.

    The Mavic blue rims look really great too, i'm feeling a twinge of bike envy.
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    Thanks guys,

    I took the bike down to the LBS and all they said was that it needed the RD cable replaced. ill get back to you guys tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBSONATOR View Post
    Thanks guys,

    I took the bike down to the LBS and all they said was that it needed the RD cable replaced. ill get back to you guys tomorrow.
    It looks like you have very late Dura-Ace with the dual pivot brakes ans 7410 crankset. Very nice stuff.

    Personaly, I'd be selling that RD on Ebay (they bring very good money) and I'd replace it with a RD-7403.
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    Isn't there an alternate cable hook-up on the rear der for compatibility with older D/A? Changing is still worthwhile financially.

    And not to thread-jack, but what is your solution to the 88 D/A cassette problem?

    And, yes. That is a very sweet bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronsonic View Post
    Isn't there an alternate cable hook-up on the rear der for compatibility with older D/A? Changing is still worthwhile financially.

    And not to thread-jack, but what is your solution to the 88 D/A cassette problem?

    And, yes. That is a very sweet bike!
    What problem are you refering to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    What problem are you refering to?
    The unavailability of 8s uniglide cassettes or individual cogs.

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