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Old 01-29-10, 09:41 PM   #1
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Give me a reason to stay away from this, please... (Ciocc)

Here is the item in question

(and I know that the value of it is higher than the opening bid and it is my size and I don't care about that oxidation/patina)

my main questions are:

- do you think that this frame has been stretched to accommodate those gears? In other words: were Ciocc internal routed brake cable frames made with an 130mm rear spacing?

-any clues about the tubing?
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Old 01-30-10, 08:26 AM   #2
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E,

I'll give you 1 reason.....

RUST
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Old 01-30-10, 08:53 AM   #3
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I agree. that rust looks awful, this guy must be a real sweathog and never heard of wiping his bike off! unless you can score it cheap enough for a repaint and possible repair around the cable entry I would stay away.

also it looks like he never even tried to clean it and he should have put some cheap tires on it and started the aution at 175
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I differ somewhat. Yes, it's a crap shoot on the frame. I'd pay $150 for it, probaby up to $250, not thinking of the frame at all.
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I differ somewhat. Yes, it's a crap shoot on the frame. I'd pay $150 for it, probaby up to $250, not thinking of the frame at all.
My first instinct is to agree, at least on paying $150. But the bike does look like it's been RIDDEN, and I've made similar calculations only to end up with a handful of irreparably worn components.
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I just found out that the bike is located about 5 miles away from me and I would have the opportunity to look at it. That would solve at least some of the questions about wear and tear... As far as the frame goes, it appears to be Dodecciai Zero Tre, which is a good quality heat treated DB CroMo steel, but nothing extremely exceptional or featherweight. That would probably put it around late 90s, so the 9 sp Ultegra might actually be an upgrade.

I am not too worried about the rust, all I can see on the pictures is on the down size of the TT. I would have a chance to look and see whether there is any structural compromise. but that price (and without shipping) one will be paying for the wheelset without the cassette and the headset pretty much...
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It looks like the stem was rusted in good, I'd thoroughly inspect everything about the. If the frame and general maintenance were negleted there's no saying what the bearings are like. Are the spoke nipples siezed?
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Worth it for the parts. Frame, I dunno. My worry would be that the rust started from the inside of the frame and is slowly marching through.

I've dealt with a pair of bikes that had top tube rust and were fine, but both had it on the upside of the TT. I believe both bikes had been used on trainers, and owned by folks with acidic sweat (they exist, some folks just rust out bike frames). It took some work, but both bikes are fine (Serotta and Trek 720, combined they were about 250$, and worth it for the parts).

I say take the plunge. Worse case scenario, you've got some parts you can use later. Best case, you get a decent Italian for very little cash.
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It looks like the stem was rusted in good, I'd thoroughly inspect everything about the. If the frame and general maintenance were negleted there's no saying what the bearings are like. Are the spoke nipples siezed?
Hard to tell what the spoke nipples look like from those pictures (which are not the best, btw). Once I go there in person, I will have them get the stem and the seat post on and I will look shine a light down the tubes. It's in a bike store so that should not be a problem, also it should not be a problem riding it... and if it is, well... I will be down about one quarter gallon of gas for a 10 mile RT
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Give me a reason to stay away from this, please...
- It is Italian. It has Ultegra.
- Stem is ugly, bars are ugly.
- Stem looks as if someone soaked the quill in a river filled with industrial waste.
- The use of oxalic acid may weaken structural integrity.
- Bontrager wheels. Set timer to 2 minutes. If a rim and/or a hub flange does not crack within 2 minutes, your spoke tension is too low.
- A chimp from the zoo can take better photos then the seller.
- What do you think that says of his packing abilities?

On the other hand:

- The bar tape is beautifully wrapped.

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Local pickup with prior inspection removes all of the negatives I had. I would set my limit based on components only, and then if someone else really bids it up (hey its ebay), let it go.

Those are really crappy pictures, so it could go cheap (particularly since you don't have to pay shipping).


Good luck!
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