PARIS SPORT by Victor Cycles of Paris France - any info?
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PARIS SPORT by Victor Cycles of Paris France - any info?
I was trying to decide if it was worth the trouble to change the handle bars on 1984 trek 420 girls bike. Well I found a used bike today at a pawn shop in Orlando that covers my needs.
The bike I found is a PARIS-SPORT 5 speed girls bike and it was made by Victor Cycles of Paris France. They were asking $79 and I got them down to $60. I have never heard of this brand and It looks new, but the parts are similar to my other early 80s road bikes. Wheels are chrome steel Samid-Saminox (france) and they look brand new. It has a fairly new seat and tires (non-original). Kick-stand is broken and front fender is missing. Rides and shifts like a new bike. Valstar tubes/Starnord.
The weird thing is, it says "made in france" all over it but most of the writing is in English. Original bike shop sticker says Long Branch NJ.
Any help would be great. I know the value is probably low being a 5 speed girls bike, but condition and price made it hard to pass up.
The bike I found is a PARIS-SPORT 5 speed girls bike and it was made by Victor Cycles of Paris France. They were asking $79 and I got them down to $60. I have never heard of this brand and It looks new, but the parts are similar to my other early 80s road bikes. Wheels are chrome steel Samid-Saminox (france) and they look brand new. It has a fairly new seat and tires (non-original). Kick-stand is broken and front fender is missing. Rides and shifts like a new bike. Valstar tubes/Starnord.
The weird thing is, it says "made in france" all over it but most of the writing is in English. Original bike shop sticker says Long Branch NJ.
Any help would be great. I know the value is probably low being a 5 speed girls bike, but condition and price made it hard to pass up.
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From Sheldon Brown's website:
Paris Sport
Paris Sport
From Mike Fabian:
Paris Sport was a house brand of the Fraysses' shop in Ridgefield Park, N.J. The Fraysse family has a long and VERY significant involvement with bike racing in the United States. At one time or another I believe Mike, father Vic, and grandfather Emile were all presidents of the USCF/ABLA, etc. and they were all very experienced racers of "the old school", i.e. heavily into track and old six-day lore, and of course, their local bike club, the North Jersey Bicycle Club(NJBC). They often managed / coached the Olympic/World Championship trips abroad during the "dark ages" of adult cycling in the US (the 40's to the early 70's).
Some of the confusion over the brands and wildly different quality levels comes from the fact that the Paris Sport shop imported many different frames and bikes which they re-badged and decalled as "Paris Sport". This is a very smart way to differentiate your bike shop from others, and is a common strategy once a shop acheives the size to bankroll such importing and wholesaling. The bikes ranged from the somewhat generic $150 ten-speed bike boom special/UO-8 clones all the way up to Vitus glued aluminum frames. There were also many different levels of steel frames brought in from the myriad of smaller bike companies which still existed in France. One of them was a company named Bernard Dangre', I believe. I can recall going downstairs at Paris Sport, into the frame shop at the very rear of the LOOONG store (it was once a bowling alley) and seeing dozens and dozens of road and track frames hanging up from the ceiling all primed up in flat green, just waiting for a buyer's choice of top-coat. None of them was exactly top-notch, they were all just production grade decent beginner to mid-level frames. I think the Fraysses used to do a fair amount of wholesaling to other bike shops around the bike-boom, so this is also why they would have had so many of these kind of things around. They would sometimes decal these frames as "Vigorelli" or "Star Nord". The Vigorelli's were the better quality frames back in the 80's.
The aforementioned framebuilding shop was located all the way downstairs and at the very back of the store. Here is where the likes of Pepe' Limongi, Ramon Orero, Dave Moulton, and Andres/Francisco Cuevas made and repaired frames. Apologies to the other names I have missed. There were a myriad of builders who worked there because the frame shop was operated as a sort of separate entity - it was rented to the various builders and the Fraysse's would try and steer a lot of business to whoever was building there at the time. Sometimes the frame shop didn't have a full-time builder. Mike and Vic offered to set me up and rent me the shop when I was a youngster trying to learn how to build frames back in the early-mid eighties. I was very inexperienced but that didn't seem to daunt Mike or Vic - who sort of encouraged me and promised that I would "learn as I went" (!) and that they would send lots of business my way. In retrospect, I probably should have tried it, but it all seemed like there were an awful lot of vague verbal assurances and promises, and I was pretty aware of my marginal skills at the time.
So the frame shop would sometimes feature transient builders who came over to the USA for a time and they would build for a while, get homesick or whatever, and then they would move on. Because Paris Sport was located a very short distance from New York City the foreigners were always relatively close to the various vibrant ethnic neighborhoods where they could feel a part of the community.
It was all a very different world in the bicycle business back then. A much, much smaller, more insular world where having good contacts abroad was perhaps not as easy to acheive as nowadays. The number of decent bike shops the size of Paris Sport were very few in the US during the 40's to 70's. Especially ones that had experience with high-end equipment and clothing. One additional aspect of Paris Sport that really impressed me at the time was the training and weight room that they had on premises. Now that was truly unusual at the time but such a brilliant idea for keeping people involved with the bike club and the shop during the winter months when business would slow. It was all part of an intelligent well-run bike club scene where a new rider could rub elbows with experienced riders/racers and "learn the ropes" of the arcane, dangerous, and little-known world of bike racing at the time. A rider could try their hand at club racing and activities BEFORE they entered the fray of "organized" craziness that passes for the domestic sport nowadays.
The lack of clubs like the NJBC, with their year-round activities (time-trials, road races, training rides, roller races, award dinners, social dances, interclub soccer matches, etc. etc.) and ability to transform a newbie into an experienced and knowlegible dedicated bicycle rider/racer - is what so hampers the current bike scene in the US. Lots of people riding very expensive bicycles, but with very little skill or expertise.
I think Mike Fraysse retired and sold the shop in the early to mid-1990's.
Some of the confusion over the brands and wildly different quality levels comes from the fact that the Paris Sport shop imported many different frames and bikes which they re-badged and decalled as "Paris Sport". This is a very smart way to differentiate your bike shop from others, and is a common strategy once a shop acheives the size to bankroll such importing and wholesaling. The bikes ranged from the somewhat generic $150 ten-speed bike boom special/UO-8 clones all the way up to Vitus glued aluminum frames. There were also many different levels of steel frames brought in from the myriad of smaller bike companies which still existed in France. One of them was a company named Bernard Dangre', I believe. I can recall going downstairs at Paris Sport, into the frame shop at the very rear of the LOOONG store (it was once a bowling alley) and seeing dozens and dozens of road and track frames hanging up from the ceiling all primed up in flat green, just waiting for a buyer's choice of top-coat. None of them was exactly top-notch, they were all just production grade decent beginner to mid-level frames. I think the Fraysses used to do a fair amount of wholesaling to other bike shops around the bike-boom, so this is also why they would have had so many of these kind of things around. They would sometimes decal these frames as "Vigorelli" or "Star Nord". The Vigorelli's were the better quality frames back in the 80's.
The aforementioned framebuilding shop was located all the way downstairs and at the very back of the store. Here is where the likes of Pepe' Limongi, Ramon Orero, Dave Moulton, and Andres/Francisco Cuevas made and repaired frames. Apologies to the other names I have missed. There were a myriad of builders who worked there because the frame shop was operated as a sort of separate entity - it was rented to the various builders and the Fraysse's would try and steer a lot of business to whoever was building there at the time. Sometimes the frame shop didn't have a full-time builder. Mike and Vic offered to set me up and rent me the shop when I was a youngster trying to learn how to build frames back in the early-mid eighties. I was very inexperienced but that didn't seem to daunt Mike or Vic - who sort of encouraged me and promised that I would "learn as I went" (!) and that they would send lots of business my way. In retrospect, I probably should have tried it, but it all seemed like there were an awful lot of vague verbal assurances and promises, and I was pretty aware of my marginal skills at the time.
So the frame shop would sometimes feature transient builders who came over to the USA for a time and they would build for a while, get homesick or whatever, and then they would move on. Because Paris Sport was located a very short distance from New York City the foreigners were always relatively close to the various vibrant ethnic neighborhoods where they could feel a part of the community.
It was all a very different world in the bicycle business back then. A much, much smaller, more insular world where having good contacts abroad was perhaps not as easy to acheive as nowadays. The number of decent bike shops the size of Paris Sport were very few in the US during the 40's to 70's. Especially ones that had experience with high-end equipment and clothing. One additional aspect of Paris Sport that really impressed me at the time was the training and weight room that they had on premises. Now that was truly unusual at the time but such a brilliant idea for keeping people involved with the bike club and the shop during the winter months when business would slow. It was all part of an intelligent well-run bike club scene where a new rider could rub elbows with experienced riders/racers and "learn the ropes" of the arcane, dangerous, and little-known world of bike racing at the time. A rider could try their hand at club racing and activities BEFORE they entered the fray of "organized" craziness that passes for the domestic sport nowadays.
The lack of clubs like the NJBC, with their year-round activities (time-trials, road races, training rides, roller races, award dinners, social dances, interclub soccer matches, etc. etc.) and ability to transform a newbie into an experienced and knowlegible dedicated bicycle rider/racer - is what so hampers the current bike scene in the US. Lots of people riding very expensive bicycles, but with very little skill or expertise.
I think Mike Fraysse retired and sold the shop in the early to mid-1990's.
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That is a lot of great info, and I will probably have to guess at the age of the bike, as for a value I guess the parts are worth more than the whole. I'm going to keep it whole since its a good riding and looking bike for my girfriend not wanting traditional 10 speed handle bars. The brass quick release wing nuts on the front are different.
Thanks for the help. You guys are great.
Thanks for the help. You guys are great.
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From a market valuation standpoint, limited value. But as an end user, you got a very clean bike, with fenders, upright bars, in super clean shape. $60 would not even buy the cheapest junker at Walmart. So you did great. The wing nuts on the front were pretty typical in that era.
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From a market valuation standpoint, limited value. But as an end user, you got a very clean bike, with fenders, upright bars, in super clean shape. $60 would not even buy the cheapest junker at Walmart. So you did great. The wing nuts on the front were pretty typical in that era.
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Not a bad bike. In regard to the inflation calculator, on many bikes it does not hold up. If that bike was built today at that inflation adjusted price it would not sell well, if much at all.
Mass market level bikes have benefitted from sourcing to lower wage countries for components, frames and assembly. The reason a $150-200 Wallmart Schwinn is an acceptable bike for a casual rider. The French lost the value war in the early 80's. too bad, but that is how it went. With that withdrawal, some of the value in the the handling and feel was lost too, but for many that is of little concern.
Mass market level bikes have benefitted from sourcing to lower wage countries for components, frames and assembly. The reason a $150-200 Wallmart Schwinn is an acceptable bike for a casual rider. The French lost the value war in the early 80's. too bad, but that is how it went. With that withdrawal, some of the value in the the handling and feel was lost too, but for many that is of little concern.
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Starnord was a large contract builder in France. Much of the production I have seen have been comparatively lower end. Your bike was probably commissioned by the Fraysse shop and sold through it. Nice looking bike.
Starnord was a large contract builder in France. Much of the production I have seen have been comparatively lower end. Your bike was probably commissioned by the Fraysse shop and sold through it. Nice looking bike.
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I had one of my bikes painted by Paris Sport; they did a fine job. They were a famous shop back in the day.
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Steve Woznick was a big racer in the 70's. Always pictures of him in Bicycling and Velo-news riding a Paris Sport, and Paris- Sport on his jersey. Multiple national champion.
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Not a bad bike. In regard to the inflation calculator, on many bikes it does not hold up. If that bike was built today at that inflation adjusted price it would not sell well, if much at all.
Mass market level bikes have benefitted from sourcing to lower wage countries for components, frames and assembly. The reason a $150-200 Wallmart Schwinn is an acceptable bike for a casual rider. The French lost the value war in the early 80's. too bad, but that is how it went. With that withdrawal, some of the value in the the handling and feel was lost too, but for many that is of little concern.
Mass market level bikes have benefitted from sourcing to lower wage countries for components, frames and assembly. The reason a $150-200 Wallmart Schwinn is an acceptable bike for a casual rider. The French lost the value war in the early 80's. too bad, but that is how it went. With that withdrawal, some of the value in the the handling and feel was lost too, but for many that is of little concern.
What I was thinking was that in 1970 I bought a new Sears bicycle for $18 ( lasted 20 years ) so to call a $150 dollar bike then low end or Generic is comparable to buying a $800 dollar bike today and calling it Generic or low end.. also the quality was there as so many have survived. I can't imagine todays Carbon bikes lasting 40 years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sp...ng-harder.html
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