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    Need value of 52cm NIB Richard Sachs

    I need to establish the value of a 52cm NIB Richard Sachs. Early 80's.
    This was a freind of mine wifes Richard Sachs frame that never got built up.
    Headtube decal is peeling of. Have replacement .A few very small paint chips.
    Let me know your estimate of worth. email <cnighbor1@comcast> for more photos
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    $500
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    Richard Sachs Value

    Not french and new ones selling for $4500 Therefore above $500
    Thanks for reply
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    If you know what it's worth then why the *** did you ask?

    Jeez, now know I why you haven't had any responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnighbor1 View Post
    Not french and new ones selling for $4500 Therefore above $500
    Thanks for reply
    Charles
    Wrong and wrong and wrong:

    a. New ones do not sell. He stopped taking orders from new customers about a year ago
    b. New ones were selling for $4000
    c. Comparing the price of a frame that is brand new and made with 2010 material with that of a frame that was made 30 years ago (and had 126mm rear spacing), which is listed as "NIB" but apparently has some paint chips, does not make sense.

    Based on the picture, this is a Columbus frame of unknown tubing from a custom builder (which means that it was built to someone else's dimensions). As that, it would worth less than the equivalent high end production frames from known manufacturers (think of your favorite Italian manufacturer) in similar condition. I'd say that $500 is very generous...
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    Nah both replys off base has to price. You can't buy a hand built lugged steel frame by a know USA frame builder for under $1500 new. Yes not current built Richard sachs but still built by him. If not worth more that $500 none of the USA built frames since 1900 worth $500.
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    "1,400 -1,800 is your range, IMO. Try her on the auction site with a reasonable reserve if there are no takers here or across the hall."

    A search of the Serotta forum also shows you've recently posted another Sachs for sale as well: http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthr...ighlight=sachs

    Not sure if this thread is an experiment for you, or it's a sincere attempt to get a different perspective. However, I can say I think the Serotta forum has more high rollers and many more people there are knowledgeable about custom frames. I think the strength of BF's C&V forum is production bikes, 1970's - 1990's.

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    Assuming a 1980s bike never built up would be similar in value to a late model high end frame is ridiculous. But if you can get $1000 or $1500 for it, great!

    If it is NIB, what is it doing with a headset, seat post bolt and DT shifters? You need to remove those quick if you are trying to convince someone it has never been built up. And don't leave any traces of those parts having been installed at one point. What do the drop outs look like up close? Any wear marks from skewers/axles? Ditto any cable stops....

    $500 is high given unknown tubing material in my market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    If it is NIB, what is it doing with a headset, seat post bolt and DT shifters?
    More importantly, if it's NIB...

    ...where's the box?

    What's with the crustiness around the D-rings, anyway?

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    Charles- I'm surprised to find you in here. I most often see your signature on the CR list......
    I'm [redacted] sure [redacted] most BF C&V'ers even know what a Richard Sachs is. But you wouldn't get a reasonable reply at all.

    That said, anything north of $1000 is where I'd start. The frame is in decent condition but not 'new in box'. nicks, rust on the DT shifters a scratched head tube decal, etc. It's shop worn condition at worst, and knocked around a garage, hanging on a hook for years. But really, the 'valuation' is what someone is willing to pay. One person said 500 bucks, another said 1000-1200 in New condition, another said 4000.

    I say you are getting close to a consensus, but theres a lot of hot air being blown for the sake of blowing.

    What size is it? ST and TT measurements? It looks mall- 700c wheels or 650c wheels?

    I always wanted a Richard Sachs......

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    I'm not sure if most BF C&V'ers even know what a Richard Sachs is, you wouldn't get a reasonable reply at all.
    That's it, I'm getting Toshi leather stich-on leather bar wrap from Ben's Cycle. You can keep your Elkhide.

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    Elitist? You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
    You give one guy hell for asking about a valuation on a valuation subforum. Now you are giving me a hard time because I backed up a 3 posters? and have the balls to call me an elitist? Whatever.

    Bens is a good outfit. They are one our customers. Enjoy the Toshi leather. It's a bit softer leather, but good quality regardless.

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    and kurt- I'm heading to Lawn guyland next weekend. If you need assistance with your durkopp rescue, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    I'm not sure if most BF C&V'ers even know what a Richard Sachs is, you wouldn't get a reasonable reply at all.
    Yep, that's me for sure. But I do know what NIB means, and this one ain't it.

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    bill- agreed- NIB it aint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    I'm not sure if most BF C&V'ers even know what a Richard Sachs is, you wouldn't get a reasonable reply at all.


    Tom Martin
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    There might be a few jugheads that are aware of Richard Sachs.

    I'm one of them.

    Although, the Sachs' bikes I see in the Twin Cities are his cyclocross racing model.

    Both I've seen are red and white and gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    If you know what it's worth then why the *** did you ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    I'm not sure if most BF C&V'ers even know what a Richard Sachs is, you wouldn't get a reasonable reply at all.
    You might be surprised to find out that some C&Vers might actually even know who Richard Sachs is...

    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    That said, anything north of $1000 is where I'd start.
    I guess that is pretty fair coming from someone working for a company that sells bike frames for $750 without describing exactly what the tubing is or how much a frame weighs...

    I concur, if one thinks that a "generic double butted CroMo" V-O Rando is worth $750, one should start North of $1000 for this also unknown material (but I suspect that it probably is better than DB 4130 and you at least know where it was made). But that's a big IF

    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    theres a lot of hot air being blown for the sake of blowing.
    At least it's not of the Grand Cru type...
    -E

    still stuck in the '80s; '70s were good as well, but i severely dislike tubulars.
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    Anyone else wanna pile on? would it make yall feel better if I redacted that bit out?

    Lets keep it to the topic of a richard sachs and not a historical bashing of every last thing that has ever been uttered by myself.

    Speaking of which, what tubing does richard sachs use? Peggo-richey? Wonder what he's hiding behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post

    Speaking of which, what tubing does richard sachs use? Peggo-richey? Wonder what he's hiding behind?
    That particular bike has a generic Columbus sticker. I assume that it is not SLX (the SLX tubesets came with SLX stickers), so it could be anything from SL to Cromor to Aelle.

    The other thing that drops the value of this frame is that Richard Sacks has always made "built to measure" frames. Which means that this particular frame was built to a particular person's measurements (and needs - notice the relatively long wheelbase and the generous fork rake on this frame.) If you are not that particular person, you'd need to make sure that this fits you and your needs.
    -E

    still stuck in the '80s; '70s were good as well, but i severely dislike tubulars.
    I tri...

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo-orange View Post
    Anyone else wanna pile on? would it make yall feel better if I redacted that bit out?

    Lets keep it to the topic of a richard sachs and not a historical bashing of every last thing that has ever been uttered by myself.

    Speaking of which, what tubing does richard sachs use? Peggo-richey? Wonder what he's hiding behind?
    I don't have any insults for you, I like and buy from Velo-Orange. That said, you have to see why it was a little insulting? Not to me necessarily but probably others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
    I don't have any insults for you, I like and buy from Velo-Orange. That said, you have to see why it was a little insulting? Not to me necessarily but probably others.
    Matt, FYI he says he'll be near Port Jeff soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Matt, FYI he says he'll be near Port Jeff soon.

    -Kurt
    Kurt, I actually had a very generous offer from a forum member. I haven't heard back from the seller after the initial contact though so it doesn't look good.
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