Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Help identifying Gios frame

    Hi all,

    I recently bought a frame from ebay. It was a good size for me and fairly lightweight although the paint was a bit tatty. It appears to be a Gios torino. The seller told me it was a 'Super Record' from the late 70's but it isn't badged as so.

    It is missing the original forks which is a shame and there are a couple of small dings. Therefore it was bought with the intention of making a nice looking fixed gear for now, try out the frame and if I liked it, maybe it'd end up with some better kit. It'll no doubt be getting some new paint and decals too.

    Anyway, I haven't seen any pics quite the same as this on the interwebs and was hoping someone could help me identify it. I don't think it is a fake... It has the cutout bottom bracket, flattened seat stays at the top, drilled rear dropouts and internal rear brake cable routing. I haven't seen another 'Super Record' with the internal cable. I have seen a 'compact' model with internal cable but different frame.

    Any suggestions?











    Cheers,

    Paul

  2. #2
    sultan of schwinn EjustE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Posts
    3,594
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    That's not a Super Record. It is a late 80s Gios Professional.
    -E

    still stuck in the '80s; '70s were good as well, but i severely dislike tubulars.
    I tri...

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EjustE View Post
    That's not a Super Record. It is a late 80s Gios Professional.
    Thanks for that! You sound pretty sure. Some more info... I thought they stopped the cutout bottom bracket before the late 80's? Also it does not have a braze on front mech hanger, and the bleu decals seemed to be under the laquer or at least under varnish. I thought they looked original but from what I have read, the bleu decals with lower case 'Gios' were more late 70's? Or would all of this still be possible on a late 80's Professional?

    Many thanks for the help,

    Paul

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,064
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Short dropouts, 1976 late or later
    holes in them for the chainrest, 1977 late or later
    Cast Bottom bracket, 1975 to middle later 80's.
    Top of the BB cable guides, Gios kept these longer than most, still could be 80's
    Allen Key brake fitting, '78 ish, maybe late 1977 and onwards.

    Things that don't match, those graphics and the top tube cable guides.
    Those could well be modifications.
    Clear over those transfers point to respray to me, mine with those transfers is earlier and no clear.

    I need to double check the chainstay bridge on mine, the seat lug ears for a bit more.

    Gios Romantic

  5. #5
    sultan of schwinn EjustE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Posts
    3,594
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here are shots of an 1984 Gios Professional (found in the internets) :






    and here is a little later (unidentified) year Gios Torino professional with decals like yours and unsigned stays like yours:

    -E

    still stuck in the '80s; '70s were good as well, but i severely dislike tubulars.
    I tri...

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,064
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Both of these have the molded caps for the brake cable entry and exit on the top tube. The white bike is using white tape to control things. The brazed in ports on the original poster's frame are new to me, I really think a modification.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,064
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EjustE View Post
    That's not a Super Record. It is a late 80s Gios Professional.
    No, its not.

  8. #8
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yes, on this frame, the cable guide is an actual guide for an inner cable. Am I rightnin thinking that the professionals with internal cable routing allow a normal cable with outer to pass through and the rubber gromits keep water out and keep things tidy?

    It seems like a lot of effort to have a modification like that fitted.

    There is a ding on the seat tube near where a dérailleur would mount. It has been touched up. I'm going to sand it back some time and see if there is any sign of brazing there.

    Thanks for all the help so far. Still unsure though! I've emailed Gios but no response as yet. I'm sure they have a few more important things to deal with, such as frames that aren't 30 years old!

    Paul

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,064
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Did you ask to purchase a fork?

  10. #10
    slow as I ever was Ex Pres's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    an imposter living in the 35223
    Posts
    5,611
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is veering somewhat off topic, but I was chatting with a riding buddy this weekend about older bikes, as I was on a '78 Raleigh.

    His Gios story: bought a brand new "Gios" off the showroom floor back in '72 while he was in college, at what he assumed was a reputable shop. Many years later he decided it would be a good thing to have it repainted/restored so he contacted Gios and sent some pics. He was informed that it was not a Gios, and that it was a Mexican-made fake. Of course he was disappointed & doesn't have the bike anymore. Are "Gios" Mexican fakes common these days? There must have been enough produced that the Gios people recognized it as such.
    72 special CNC ___________ 72 Frejus (ala Legnano) __73 Holdsworth Record
    78 Raleigh Professional_____ 80 Ranson_____________ 80 unknown French (SS)
    82 Peugeot PXN10_________83 Trek 600____________ 85 Gianni Motta
    85 Trek 560______________88 Guerciotti GLX
    90 Miele Gara_____________02 Casati Dardo (g/b\k)___02 Casati Dardo (y/blk)
    03 Casati Dardo___________08 BF IRO (fixed)________10 Vassago Fisticuff (IGH)

  11. #11
    sultan of schwinn EjustE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Posts
    3,594
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Pres View Post
    This is veering somewhat off topic, but I was chatting with a riding buddy this weekend about older bikes, as I was on a '78 Raleigh.

    His Gios story: bought a brand new "Gios" off the showroom floor back in '72 while he was in college, at what he assumed was a reputable shop. Many years later he decided it would be a good thing to have it repainted/restored so he contacted Gios and sent some pics. He was informed that it was not a Gios, and that it was a Mexican-made fake. Of course he was disappointed & doesn't have the bike anymore. Are "Gios" Mexican fakes common these days? There must have been enough produced that the Gios people recognized it as such.
    You occasionally still see some of Mexican-made fake Gios (and Colnago - not Colnago Mexico, but mexican-made bikes with Colnago markings and stickers that had nothing to do with Colnago, just to be clear) bikes come on the open. There was enough product produced, that not only Gios people recognized it as a problem, but started to round up and destroy the ones they found, thus there are not many left. I suspect that they could be collectors items (in some strangely morbid collection) these days.
    -E

    still stuck in the '80s; '70s were good as well, but i severely dislike tubulars.
    I tri...

  12. #12
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by repechage View Post
    Did you ask to purchase a fork?
    Nope. I'm pretty sure it'd be quite expensive.

    So my frame probably looks most like the white Gios in the pics above.

    I'm not sure if these fake Gios frames were imported to the UK?

    Still trying to work it out. Just back from holiday and now it's time to get on with the bikes!

    Paul

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,064
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by poltn6 View Post
    Nope. I'm pretty sure it'd be quite expensive.

    So my frame probably looks most like the white Gios in the pics above.

    I'm not sure if these fake Gios frames were imported to the UK?

    Still trying to work it out. Just back from holiday and now it's time to get on with the bikes!

    Paul
    It is earlier than the white frame. No Gios stamped into the seat stay top ends, and yours has on top of the Bottom Bracket shift cable routing, the white frame has under the BB cable routing.

  14. #14
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hmmm. Ok, so from what can be seen, does it look like a genuine Gios but with a modified top tube? So it could still be a Super Record..

    If it is after '76, should it be wearing the white decals?
    If the clearcoat over decals sounded odd, are they normally just decals on top of paint?

    I'm probably going to end up having it gloss powder coated in black as I hear the blue is hard to achieve without spending a lot. I would like to get some decals fitted and have found some online.

    Just trying to work out what is best to do.

    Thanks,

    Paul

  15. #15
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Just found this... http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum...98-GIOS-torino

    I had seen it before but forgot... Somewhere down that page is a pic of this guys cable routing. That looks very similar to the one on my frame. Except one is on the top and the other on the bottom of the tube on their frame.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •