Bottecchia **********?
10-25-10, 03:17 AM
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Bottecchia **********?
hello friends, need your help. I have doubts whether this is authentic bicycle frame. no serial numbers. seem to be hidden under the paint as it has been touched up with paint again. I will call for experts in the construction of tables to verify if a true Bottecchia
can see photos here
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can see photos here
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10-25-10, 05:58 AM
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I do have one more question about this bike. is it in America or Europe?
most of the people who haunt this thread are the same ones in the regular C&V thread so you are likely to get the same answers.
most of the people who haunt this thread are the same ones in the regular C&V thread so you are likely to get the same answers.
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10-25-10, 06:22 AM
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Bottecchia was a co-sponsor of the Hoonved tean for 1980-1982. I'm not if you're asking if this a pro-team bicycle or whether it is just an actual Bottecchia? While it is not a pro-team bicycle, Bottecchia did offer team replica bicycles at this time, so it may be legitimate. I can't think of other manufacturers during this period who were offering the combination of full chrome stays, fork and head lugs. Please provide a close-up picture of the rear, derailleur side dropout and check inside the bottom of the fork's steering column for five spiral ridges.
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Bottecchia was a co-sponsor of the Hoonved tean for 1980-1982. I'm not if you're asking if this a pro-team bicycle or whether it is just an actual Bottecchia? While it is not a pro-team bicycle, Bottecchia did offer team replica bicycles at this time, so it may be legitimate. I can't think of other manufacturers during this period who were offering the combination of full chrome stays, fork and head lugs. Please provide a close-up picture of the rear, derailleur side dropout and check inside the bottom of the fork's steering column for five spiral ridges.
Sorry I do not understand English very well. 're Asking me to check the inside of the box direction?
I have to see?
I have said this is the bicycle frame before 1980. The shift cables above the pedal box to stop doing from 1970
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I believe I was the one that suggested it was a '80s frame because of the cable routing but that was just a guess. different brands changed that at different times
T-Mar is asking for a pic of where the rear wheel attaches to the frame.
also he wants you to look in the bottom of the steerer tube (where the front brake is attached) you may need a flashlight (torch?) and see if there are raised ridges like rifling in a gun barrel. that will help indicate the quality of the tubing
T-Mar is asking for a pic of where the rear wheel attaches to the frame.
also he wants you to look in the bottom of the steerer tube (where the front brake is attached) you may need a flashlight (torch?) and see if there are raised ridges like rifling in a gun barrel. that will help indicate the quality of the tubing
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So if I have seen is that the drop outs and fork ends are Gipiemme my question is: Bottecchia any time in its history has used Gipiemme?
Columbus tubing always see in the pictures. https://routier67virtual.blogspot.com...tecchia-4.html
Columbus tubing always see in the pictures. https://routier67virtual.blogspot.com...tecchia-4.html
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While I haven't seen any Gipemme dropouts on Bottecchia they did switch from Campagnolo to Columbus sometimes in the early to mid 1980s. It's possible they used Gipemme for a short period.
Were you able to detect the spiral ridges in the bottom of the fork's steering tube? If not, what is the seat post diameter? Regardless, it is a well made frame. Given the features and apparent era, I would be surprised if it less than SL or tretubi SL.
Were you able to detect the spiral ridges in the bottom of the fork's steering tube? If not, what is the seat post diameter? Regardless, it is a well made frame. Given the features and apparent era, I would be surprised if it less than SL or tretubi SL.
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While I haven't seen any Gipemme dropouts on Bottecchia they did switch from Campagnolo to Columbus sometimes in the early to mid 1980s. It's possible they used Gipemme for a short period.
Were you able to detect the spiral ridges in the bottom of the fork's steering tube? If not, what is the seat post diameter? Regardless, it is a well made frame. Given the features and apparent era, I would be surprised if it less than SL or tretubi SL.
Were you able to detect the spiral ridges in the bottom of the fork's steering tube? If not, what is the seat post diameter? Regardless, it is a well made frame. Given the features and apparent era, I would be surprised if it less than SL or tretubi SL.
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A 27.0mm post is good sign. It's means the frame is at least equivalent to tretubi SL (maybe tretubi SP, given the apparent frame size). You don't need to disassemble the fork to check for the spiral ridges. Just remove the front wheel and look inside the bottom of the steerer tube with a flashlight. They are only about 0.3mm thick bt 3.5mm wide, so look carefully. You may also be able to feel them with your finger.
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A7.0mm post is good sign. It's means the frame is at least equivalent to tretubi SL (maybe tretubi SP, given the apparent frame size). You don't need to disassemble the fork to check for the spiral ridges. Just remove the front wheel and look inside the bottom of the steerer tube with a flashlight. They are only about 0.3mm thick bt 3.5mm wide, so look carefully. You may also be able to feel them with your finger.
When I get home I will check
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now if you do not understand anything, watching while the bottom bracket are many layers of paint. The rear triangle of the bicycle frame appears to be painted again be hiding any evidence of a real Bottecchia
See Photos https://routier67virtual.blogspot.com...tecchia-6.html
See Photos https://routier67virtual.blogspot.com...tecchia-6.html
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The paint scheme is 1981-1982 Hoonved-Bottecchia Team. In 1980, I believe it was all black (very similar to SCIC-Bottecchia from previous years). No serial number may indicate not a serial production bike (I've seen clearly stamped serial number "S.1074" on one of replicas) or that is not a Bottecchia. Dia-Compe brakes doesn't look right too. Clearly nobody can tell for sure that this is genuine Bottecchia, we can only guess. Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Senisbs, You were asking the serial of my Bottecchia, but an error occured when I tried to send privat message so I am sending it here.
Finally I could check the serial on my Bottecchia, but I got to be really surprised that I found only two digits there. As far as I know it should be in the format TTT NNNN NN, where TTT - tubing used, NNNN - 80s serial number, NN - size of the frame.
So from these I found only the last two digits I guess, because the visible number is 57.
Do you have some idea or experiements whay I do not see any other information? I tried to analyse the paint on the bike and aske dI friend of mine who works in a car re-paint company, he also said that most probably the bike was not repainted. So he suggest that the missing numbers are not covered by any home made solution, they are originally missing.
what do you think about this?
thanks in advance for your comments.
Kind Regards,
Kornel
Finally I could check the serial on my Bottecchia, but I got to be really surprised that I found only two digits there. As far as I know it should be in the format TTT NNNN NN, where TTT - tubing used, NNNN - 80s serial number, NN - size of the frame.
So from these I found only the last two digits I guess, because the visible number is 57.
Do you have some idea or experiements whay I do not see any other information? I tried to analyse the paint on the bike and aske dI friend of mine who works in a car re-paint company, he also said that most probably the bike was not repainted. So he suggest that the missing numbers are not covered by any home made solution, they are originally missing.
what do you think about this?
thanks in advance for your comments.
Kind Regards,
Kornel
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