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Old 05-10-11, 01:58 PM   #1
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Raleigh Super Grand Prix - worthy bike?

Hello everyone!

I'm looking at this Raleigh Super Grand Prix 10 speed to buy, and wanted to get more info and advice on it.
http://img2.claspics.com/264/732612/...jpg?1304804265

It looks like it's in pretty good shape and it comes with new tires and tubes, new seat, and new handle bar tape, 700 wheel set.

What level bikes are these and does anyone have the specs? weight? Asking pricing is $230 which sounds a bit steep!

I just got into taking looong bike rides and need a sturdy, lightweight bike that can handle it!

Thanks so much in advance!
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Old 05-10-11, 02:39 PM   #2
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Agreed, $230 does sound a bit steep. But it looks like it's ready-to-ride condition. If it truly is and you like the way it rides, offer a little less than $200 and see what happens. Any bike with only 10 speeds, though, is probably not gonna be particularly light. It's probably late 70s/early 80s. This thing will probably be around 25-30 lb.

If it's a 1978, it's 26 lb., which is pretty good for that era.

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Thanks so much for the info! Do you know what years Raleigh made these models?
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Well, judging by the writeup, I would say that 1978 was probably the first year for this model. You can look through Raleigh catalogs here or here.
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it looks like a small frame too...if you are gonna take looong rides you need to be sure the frame fits you....

I re-read the OP and see the wheel upgrade. The brakes may have been upgraded as well to a longer reach caliper; another plus.
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I've seen claims of Japanese SGPs as early as 1977 http://triplebranch.blogspot.com/200...rand-prix.html

I own what was (before alteration) the twin to that bike, I also own a 1979 Nottingham built SGP. My Japanese bike is 24 lbs without water bottles and other accessories.

$230.00 might be high for that one unless it's in exceptional condition and fully rideable.

I love my Japanese built bike and I'm currently (slowly) restorng the English one.


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Thanks, Doohickie!
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it looks like a small frame too...if you are gonna take looong rides you need to be sure the frame fits you....

I re-read the OP and see the wheel upgrade. The brakes may have been upgraded as well to a longer reach caliper; another plus.
Yeah, I'm 5'4'' and it's 52cm so it should be perfect.
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Well, judging by the writeup, I would say that 1978 was probably the first year for this model. You can look through Raleigh catalogs here or here.
Thanks, I'll be browsing these the next couple hours
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I've seen claims of Japanese SGPs as early as 1977 http://triplebranch.blogspot.com/200...rand-prix.html

I own what was (before alteration) the twin to that bike, I also own a 1979 Nottingham built SGP. My Japanese bike is 24 lbs without water bottles and other accessories.

$230.00 might be high for that one unless it's in exceptional condition and fully rideable.

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I love my Japanese built bike and I'm currently (slowly) restorng the English one.

What's the difference between the British and Japanese ones?
Which years for the super grand prix were Japanese built?

I've also heard that a couple may have been manufactured from Taiwan... thoughts?
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What's a better bike between the Raleigh Super Grand Prix and the Bianchi Brava?

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Bianchi Bravas with Columbus frame tubing (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dNxi8h53r7s/Tc...jpg?imgmax=800)
and Raleigh Super Grand Prix (http://img2.claspics.com/264/732612/...-784.JPG_m.jpg).

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I love my Japanese built bike and I'm currently (slowly) restorng the English one.

What's the difference between the British and Japanese ones?
Which years for the super grand prix were Japanese built?

I've also heard that a couple may have been manufactured from Taiwan... thoughts?
I don't think any SGPs were Taiwan built, the Japanese bike seems to be higher quality overall with better workmanship and forged dropouts, Th English bike has stamped dropouts but more ornate lugwork.

Also the Japanese bike is on 27" wheels while the English bike is on 700s, the original high flange wheels on the Japanese bike were beyond trashed when I got it so the ones on it now are replacements.

Japanese bike, repainted and decalled and yes the fork is bent and the dork disc is also gone now.



English bike,



And yes, I'm tall. 6'6" to be exact, the Japanese bike is a 64cm that just fits me as it's set up in the pics and the English bike is a 68cm which is at the upper limit of what I "think" will fit.

We shall see.
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That's a beautiful white SGP! Good luck with building up the other one, I'm sure you'll have ppl turning heads when it's finished

Thanks again!
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TO THE ADMINISTRATOR - I know this is an old thread, but Post #4 in this thread contains a link that goes to a malware page. Could the link be disabled or taken down? I just went through a heck of a time with it while trying to do some research on the forum. Thanks
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Can I also keep the revival of this very old thread to ask the same essential question as the OP did?
There is this Raleigh Carlton Grand Prix for sale.

He's had it up for about 2 months so I asked if he'd come down on the price and he said $180. I feel like this is potentially a very nice bike but actually needs a decent amount of work (the chain doesn't look like it fits, bad saddle, needs new tires and tubes, new bar tape, new brake lever hoods likely, needs a strong cleaning and doesn't have the original decals). I don't need it, but I do like the frame and would appreciate a lighter steel bike. I know ultimately it's worth what I'm willing to pay for it, but there's also a reasonable objective value to these things right? What do you guys think?

The seller says: 1960's era British-made Raleigh Carlton Grand Prix Road/Touring Bike
53cm c-c x 56cm tt
All original, estate sale find
5sp Simplex derailleurs & shifters
Weinmann brake levers paired with Weinmann Vainqueur 999 centerpull calipers, Milremo stem, generic bar
Very nice Carlton lug detail & brass headbadge
Steel 27" clincher rims laced to Brampton steel hubs. Rear is a flip-flop set up. Tires still hold air.
Stronglight cranks, original quill pedals
Good overall condition with a few paint scuffs and surface abrasions
Recommend new seat and tires to make it a decent rider
Replacement decals available on eBay
Asking $200
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Personally, I'd pass. Not sure it is worth the asking price even if cleaned, lubed and new rubber added. As it sits, there is a lot of work to do. Cottered cranks can be a real pain if they don't cooperate.

You refer to appreciating a lighter steel bike. This ain't it. Probably tips the scales close to 30 lbs. I'd guess.
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I appreciate the thoughts. I think I will pass. I'm surprised that he's been sitting on it so long and is only coming down $20. But he must have room.
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I just read the threads below. According to the serial no, mine is a Nottingham #1587 as opposed to Japanese. And I do have a bent fork. And I have to get around to replace it. My pedal trap can hit the tire.
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