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    Help Determining Raleigh Frame

    I am a newbie to all of this so please excuse my ignorance. However I recently purchased what I was told is a Raleigh frame that measures 26” at a local yard sale. Unfortunately there are no decals and it has been repainted and re-badged. I was however able to find the serial number on the left bottom drop out which is: 5D13584 In the research I did I couldn’t find an example of a Raleigh frame with this sequence in the serial number. If so the closest I could get is that this would a 70-73 Super Course or Grand Prix but I could be way off.

    Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated, also if I could provide any answers that would help the process just let me know. Thanks so much I am enjoying the community thus far.

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    Hello Zvolen, welcome to the forums. repainted eh? well I tell you what..... some of these guys are amazing Raleigeeks.

    can you post some real good pics, closeups of the lugs, BB area, dropouts, and forkends? can you read anything on the forkends or dropouts? does it have any brazeons?

    if you give these guys a few crumbs of info it is amazing what they can tell you.
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    The serial number format you mentioned does not ring a bell.
    Are you sure it's a Raleigh?

    You need to provide some good clear pics of the lugs, DOs, brake bridge, fork crown and BB and then someone can probably identify it (if it's a Raleigh) - Check the head tube while you are at it for the original 3-hole badge pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Hello Zvolen, welcome to the forums. repainted eh? well I tell you what..... some of these guys are amazing Raleigeeks.

    can you post some real good pics, closeups of the lugs, BB area, dropouts, and forkends? can you read anything on the forkends or dropouts? does it have any brazeons?

    if you give these guys a few crumbs of info it is amazing what they can tell you.
    Like I said I am a fairly newbie so some of the lingo I might not be accustomed too, so whats BB and brazeons? Other than that I will get my hands on a camera and try to snap some pictures as soon as possible. The serial I supplied was on the left rear drop out.

    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    The serial number format you mentioned does not ring a bell.
    Are you sure it's a Raleigh?

    You need to provide some good clear pics of the lugs, DOs, brake bridge, fork crown and BB and then someone can probably identify it (if it's a Raleigh) - Check the head tube while you are at it for the original 3-hole badge pattern.
    Am I sure? No, However thats what I was told. Is there a picture I can compare for the 3-hole bridge pattern? As I said I'll get a camera and snap some pictures hopefully someone can help me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zvolen View Post
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    Am I sure? No, However thats what I was told. Is there a picture I can compare for the 3-hole bridge pattern? As I said I'll get a camera and snap some pictures hopefully someone can help me out.
    (I said "badge' not "bridge") - If it ever had a Heron "badge", (and most Raleigh's did) it will have three mounting holes. - A pretty strong indicator that it is after all a Raleigh when a bike has otherwise been repainted and stripped of its branding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    (I said "badge' not "bridge") - If it ever had a Heron "badge", (and most Raleigh's did) it will have three mounting holes. - A pretty strong indicator that it is after all a Raleigh when a bike has otherwise been repainted and stripped of its branding.
    I apologize, it was late and I must have just read it wrong.

    Anyways I did check the badge and it only has one center hole not the three that would indicate it had a Raleigh badge. Is this a tell all that it is not a Raleigh frame? The lugs look like a traditional Raleigh frame, were these designs (Raleigh) copied or imitated and produced under different brands?

    In the meantime I will snap some pictures for everyone tonight and post up so you can get a visual. Again I appreciate the help.
    Last edited by Zvolen; 08-04-11 at 11:08 PM.

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    Here are some images, I hope they help determine. If you need a specific picture or one of more detail just let me know. Thanks










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    One hole for the badge mounting, huh?
    This has me stumped - but I am pretty sure your bike is not a Raleigh:

    - The seat stays and lug are most distinctive, but the stays on Nottingham Raleighs had a less tapered bevel. GPs and SCs meanwhile had a different treatment entirely.
    - Early 70's Raleigh frames came in inch on the half-inch - not whole (26.0") increments
    - Likewise the DO, with its double eyelets, is not very Raleighesque.
    - I would guess that your chromed fork is a later replacement.

    I am sorry I am at a loss to say what your bike is. I would be awed if someone could weigh in, and offer a positive ID.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    One hole for the badge mounting, huh?
    This has me stumped - but I am pretty sure your bike is not a Raleigh:

    - The seat stays and lug are most distinctive, but the stays on Nottingham Raleighs had a less tapered bevel. GPs and SCs meanwhile had a different treatment entirely.
    - Early 70's Raleigh frames came in inch on the half-inch - not whole (26.0") increments
    - Likewise the DO, with its double eyelets, is not very Raleighesque.
    - I would guess that your chromed fork is a later replacement.

    I am sorry I am at a loss to say what your bike is. I would be awed if someone could weigh in, and offer a positive ID.
    I am not if it helps but as far as the forks it appears they were once painted and just stripped of paint hence the chrome look. Also the guy told me the tires are 720CC tires not 700. The label on the tires says 27 x 1 1/4. If its not a Raleigh any idea what it might be?

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    Zvolen - Typically service forks are chromed but not well polished so as to accept paint. I don't think it was stripped I think it was replaced. 27x1-1/4 is the most common tire on 70's road bikes. Sorry I cannot offer a guess at what make it is.
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