Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    197? Schwinn Paramount

    I bought this today and I'm not sure on the year of this bike. I would also be interested in an appraisals as to its worth

    Model: 197? Schwinn Paramount
    Decals: over clear-coat
    Headset: EDCO competition, gold
    Crankset: Campy Nuovo Record
    Bottom bracket: Campy nuovo record
    Front derailleur: Campy Nuovo record
    R. Derailleur: Campy Nuovo Record
    Seatpost: Campy Nuovo Record
    Brake calipers: Dura-Ace
    Brake levers: Dura-Ace
    Rims: Super Chamption
    Hubs: Shimano high-flange
    Stem: Cinelli 1A
    Hanldebars: Cinelli
    Saddle: San Marco?
    Freewheel: Suntour 5-spd
    Tires: Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX

    Pictures:
















  2. #2
    Decrepit Member Scooper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    San Francisco California
    My Bikes
    2007 Waterford 953 RS-22
    Posts
    8,530
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    What is the serial number? It's not legible in the photos. The serial number indicates the date the frame was manufactured and should start with a letter (A=January, M=December; I is not used), then the following two digits are the year.

    The decals are late seventies, but it's apparently a repaint since the Nervex Professional head lugs, fork crown, fork tips and rear triangle near the dropouts should all be chrome plated.

    PDG wasn't established in Waterford until 1980, so the PDG sticker on the seat tube is an anachronism.
    - Stan

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    the serial number is 20209. It's on the rear drop-out.

    That's strange because there is no letter at all. Does this suggest it's not a Paramount!?!
    Last edited by toosahn; 10-09-11 at 10:30 PM.

  4. #4
    Senior Member commonlaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    60
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by toosahn View Post
    the serial number is 20209. It's on the rear drop-out.

    That's strange because there is no letter at all. Does this suggest it's not a Paramount!?!

    I don't have your answer but I hope someone does, and stat. You may have a Huffy Ladies' Savannah on your hands

  5. #5
    Senior Member zazenzach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    884
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by toosahn View Post
    the serial number is 20209. It's on the rear drop-out.

    That's strange because there is no letter at all. Does this suggest it's not a Paramount!?!
    my understanding is that all schwinn paramounts had atleast one letter to distinguish its month code. ive never come across one with only a numbered serial

    as mentioned before, Paramount Design Group was established in 1980-81 as the name of the waterford, WI factory that produced paramounts. So there's absolutely no way that bike is from the 1970's

    That bike is either altered or you have it placed in the wrong decade

    My best guess is that's not a paramount at all

  6. #6
    Senior Member tugrul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Portsmouth, NH
    Posts
    2,437
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Scroll down to the Superior Registry here (need some anchor tags Kurt): 20609, 20620, 21057
    Looking for Quick release for a BR-6208 Cotter pin press

  7. #7
    Senior Member zazenzach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    884
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by tugrul View Post
    Scroll down to the Superior Registry here (need some anchor tags Kurt): 20609, 20620, 21057
    hmmmmm.

    upon research youre right

    looks like OPs bike was made in the 1980's at waterford. that solves the PDG badge controversy
    Last edited by zazenzach; 10-10-11 at 12:39 AM.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Bummer! So it's a Schwinn Superior.

    Boo.

  9. #9
    Senior Member zazenzach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    884
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by toosahn View Post
    Bummer! So it's a Schwinn Superior.

    Boo.
    if you dont mind me asking, did you get worked over or did you still get a good deal?

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I don't think I got a good deal. But the seller was honest and I think if I talked to him I could explain the situation so that either I return the bike for a refund or he sends me a bit of a refund check.

    How much is this thing worth though?

  11. #11
    Decrepit Member Scooper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    San Francisco California
    My Bikes
    2007 Waterford 953 RS-22
    Posts
    8,530
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The 1981 Superiors are very nice bikes, and were built using Nervex Professional lugs and Reynolds 531 tubing left over from Chicago Paramount production which ceased in 1979 when Ed Schwinn decided to modernize the Paramount line and move manufacturing to Waterford, Wisconsin. I believe the 1981 Superior frames were all brazed by Don Mainland in Racine, and he was among the best. Components on the Superior were Campy Gran Sport.

    To the right buyer, your bike is worth around $500. It's too bad somebody misrepresented it as a Paramount because the Superior is a great bike in its own right.

    - Stan

  12. #12
    Decrepit Member Scooper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    San Francisco California
    My Bikes
    2007 Waterford 953 RS-22
    Posts
    8,530
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    For more insight, see THIS THREAD on the Schwinn Forums and THIS ENTRY on the Classic Rendezvous website (scroll to bottom of page).
    - Stan

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    344
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I had a 1973 Paramount frame that had the PDG sticker. I think that just indicates a factory repaint.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    thanks for all the information!

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,172
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by toosahn View Post
    ]


    Another gold and black Cellini... let's talk about that one, not the repainted Paramount.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    231
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There's two other threads for talking about that one:

    This one about restoration: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...oup?highlight=

    And this one about value: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...oup?highlight=

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •