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Old 01-06-12, 08:08 PM   #1
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WHats my bike worth? 1987 SHOGUN Ninja

So just wondering what my mint 1987 SHOGUN Ninja is worth, triple triangle Tange #2, complete Shimano 600 drivetrain, andonized Araya wheels, let me know what you guys think? I prolly won't sell it because I love it but just wondering your thoughts...






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Old 01-06-12, 08:51 PM   #2
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IMHO I don't think it is worth the $500 your asking for it. while the size may be rare, that is simply because there is not alot of 63cm bikes built because there is little demand for them

you often see much newer bike with "brifter" type shifter and 8+ speeds for $500. your Shogun while a nice bike is closer to a $200 bike and maybe a bit less because of the large size.
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+1 First, Shogun does not get the respect that it should. That is unfortunately a problem for many Japanese brands. Once you get past a couple of the generally respected brands, most buyers just don't respond. Its too bad really, as there were a number of really, really good Japanese bikes (I've owned a lot of them).

+1 Secondly, XL size always hurts value.

+1 Third, $500 buys a lot in the vintage market, something with higher grade tubing than Tange 2: Tange Prestige, one of the higher grades of Columbus, etc., and either Campy or D/A components. In fact, $300 buys a lot.

Often, when you like a bike and it fits, a vintage bike will provide more value to you, than the market will give you. I certainly have that problem with my keeper bikes, they are worth more to me, than I could get for them.

For selling, the Fuji saddle is distracting. I would use a saddle without a bike brand, something more racing oriented, and I would route the rear brake cable under the stem.

A fluted seat post would look really good on that bike.


Bike is really attractive, and the paint is excellent. Around here, it would take a while, but it might sell for $250.

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yeah that's fair, I don't want to sell it but I would take $500 for her thanks for the reply
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+1 First, Shogun does not get the respect that it should. That is unfortunately a problem for many Japanese brands. Once you get past a couple of the generally respected brands, most buyers just don't respond. Its too bad really, as there were a number of really, really good Japanese bikes (I've owned a lot of them).

+1 Secondly, XL size always hurts value.

+1 Third, $500 buys a lot in the vintage market, something with higher grade tubing than Tange 2: Tange Prestige, one of the higher grades of Columbus, etc., and either Campy or D/A components. In fact, $300 buys a lot.

Often, when you like a bike and it fits, a vintage bike will provide more value to you, than the market will give you. I certainly have that problem with my keeper bikes, they are worth more to me, than I could get for them.

For selling, the Fuji saddle is distracting. I would use a saddle without a bike brand, something more racing oriented, and I would route the rear brake cable under the stem.

A fluted seat post would look really good on that bike.


Bike is really attractive, and the paint is excellent. Around here, it would take a while, but it might sell for $250.
Thanks for your reply, a lot of good points you raised. The saddle needs to go your right, I am keeping my eye out for a Turbo saddle, wish they made pink, just sold a nice yellow one on Ebay. This is my backup roadie, I want to see the faces of the guys I ride with when I bring this baby to the rides. I posted it on CL for $500 but its just a feeler, I know I over priced it but thats because I don't want to sell it. I have sold thousands of bikes in the past 5 years, suprinsgly no Shoguns but I do like the triple triaingle and the pink color scheme just gets me. Anyways thanks for your advice, I will fix the cables/seat issued asap!
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A local flipper had that exact bike up for sale a month or two ago. XL size and everything. He had it listed for $250. I haven't seen an ad for it recently so I assume it sold. And he doesn't negotiate, I've tried...
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Interesting bike one of the last high end imports to come out of Japan a year or two later almost all export production move to taiwian and for me this the end for C&V bikes.
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If that is the correct saddle height for you, this frame is too large, unless you've got a long torso and/or arms. Personally, I think this bicycle would be a hard sell. Pink doesn't sell well to guys and you don't find too many females needing a frame that large.
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If that is the correct saddle height for you, this frame is too large, unless you've got a long torso and/or arms. Personally, I think this bicycle would be a hard sell. Pink doesn't sell well to guys and you don't find too many females needing a frame that large.
+1 The combo of a really large frame with tight aggressive geometry and pink could prove to be a tough sell.
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I posted it on CL for $500 but its just a feeler, I know I over priced it but thats because I don't want to sell it.
What is the point of listing it? Just curious.
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If you were in CA I would purchase this. Looks great, the color scheme would turn some heads.
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yeah that's fair, I don't want to sell it but I would take $500 for her thanks for the reply
I am certain you would just as while I am not interested in selling my baby if someone offered $5000 cash I may have a hard time saying NO

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I think it is worth $250.00 based upon condition, nice paint, Shimano 600 components and the comparative "rarity" of the bike. By rare, I mean the only Shoguns that I've seen come up on CL are low-end with low-end groups on them. This one has what appears to be fairly pristine 600 bits, nice. The other thing is the triple triangle. Around here you mainly see GTs with that configuration.

I also like the pantograph on the top of the seat stays, nice touch as is the lettering on the forks. To me it adds something to the bike's character. I agree that the size and color are issues, but I can see some tall dude looking for a nice vintage ride going for it.

Hey, I've got an Ironman in the "Miami Vice" colors and I'm man enough to ride it!
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If that is the correct saddle height for you, this frame is too large, unless you've got a long torso and/or arms. Personally, I think this bicycle would be a hard sell. Pink doesn't sell well to guys and you don't find too many females needing a frame that large.

I actually need the height taller, I am 6'5 with long legs! My carbon bikes are 62cm and I have the seat post to the max, I was fitted for 64cm but hard to find..
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What is the point of listing it? Just curious.

I don't think $500 is way off base, its in SUPERB condition, all original and mint Shimano 600 components, but I deleted the ad nevertheless..I am going to keep it, change a few things and I have decided to change the shifting to flightdeck, will send pics when it's complete.
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I am certain you would just as while I am not interested in selling my baby if someone offered $5000 cash I may have a hard time saying NO


That is a beautiful Bianchi!! What model? I've had a number of celeste Bianchi's over the years, awesome bikes!
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If you were in CA I would purchase this. Looks great, the color scheme would turn some heads.
I can ship it for $500 shipped! LOL
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That is a beautiful Bianchi!! What model? I've had a number of celeste Bianchi's over the years, awesome bikes!
Thank You. the fame is a '90 Proto from the Reparto Corse built with Columbus MAX tubing. the HS, cranks, brakes and FD are '89/90 Chorus,
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I am selling the Shogun again, $400 b/o....I have found a more interesting build a 98 Trek y-foil 77 I like different, wish me luck!
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PM me an email address I can contact you at. I can't PM, don't have 50 posts yet.
I have inquiries about the size and other things.

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I can ship it for $500 shipped! LOL
Don't tease me lol
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I just sold one exactly like it in Utah but it was the 1000 for $285, it must be the same because it was also full 600. In a low market I wouldn't take less than $275 but wouldn't be surprised to see it go for 350 when college starts in the Spring if the size of the bike is a 52-58 cm to hit the general populous.
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Don't tease me lol

It's on eBay, 7 hours to go!
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It's on eBay, 7 hours to go!
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Well, its up to $330, with $150 shipping, and still has the Fuji saddle.

Two newbie bidders. Could go higher.
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