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Old 04-22-12, 08:43 AM   #1
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Pogliaghi

I'm going to check this bike out tomorrow, it's a tad pricey, but I'm hoping to talk him down somewhat (off 500$).
Any advice of what I should look for, besides basic fit and feel? Or information regarding the model?

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Old 04-22-12, 09:20 AM   #2
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Hello Jazzicise WELCOME to the forums. I am not familiar witht he brand but it is my understanding they are very nice indeed.

Just make sure all the bearings have no play, ensure the fork line looks straight, and there are not wrinkles in the Downtube or toptube near the headtube luggs.

Do you have any better pics or infomation on the components?
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Unfortunately that's the only pic I have at the moment.
Seller said that it has the original campagnolo components.
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Is the asking price $500?

If it is, tubing and components will determine if it's a deal or not.

Right off the bat, I spot mtn bike pedals/stem, honking big rear cluster, and what appears to be an SR seatpost. Might just be the light, but is the front wheel black anodized? Also check if there are mounts for a 2nd bottle - up to you if this matters.

As it stands (assuming no majors) and unknown tubing, probably a $300 to $400 bike.
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The modified almost funky stem is a big turnoff for me if you need this to make it your size it is too small the frame is for someone about 5' 6".
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If it fits you, that's a great price. The frame set alone is worth about that much. It might be a later, contract-made bike, but it's still top of the line stuff.
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If the wheel in the corner is supposed to be the front wheel, they do not match, not even close. That can mean a variety of things, from a lost wheel to a crash. Check carefully.
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If it fits you, that's a great price. The frame set alone is worth about that much. It might be a later, contract-made bike, but it's still top of the line stuff.
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If it fits you, that's a great price. The frame set alone is worth about that much. It might be a later, contract-made bike, but it's still top of the line stuff.

+1

An ill-fated attempt to make a bicycle fit, perhaps by the seller.

While additional pics would be helpful, let me ask you this question.

Are there numbers stamped on top of the seat tube near the cluster?

On one side there would be a 4 digit serial number and the other side three initials.

If so, you are that much closer to buying a super nice frameset.

If all adds up, you could get a fairly good price on a very nice frameset.

...and btw, would some of you pass on a De Rosa Professional or a Masi GC for example, because someone stuck lower level components on a nice frameset?

Many of the nicer vintage framesets I see abroad have lower level components, but that doesn't tarnish the appeal of the frameset to me.

I could have that stem off the bike, a new one installed, and bars re-wrapped in an hour.

No biggie.
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If the wheel in the corner is supposed to be the front wheel, they do not match, not even close. That can mean a variety of things, from a lost wheel to a crash. Check carefully.
Good point.

Wise to be careful.

Again, the frame may be the star of this show.
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as far as the wheel I suspect the wheel in the corner is the original and the aero is a replacement possibly with a cassette.


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Is the asking price $500?

Right off the bat, I spot mtn bike pedals/stem, honking big rear cluster, and what appears to be an SR seatpost. Might just be the light, but is the front wheel black anodized? Also check if there are mounts for a 2nd bottle - up to you if this matters.
As it stands (assuming no majors) and unknown tubing, probably a $300 to $400 bike.
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The modified almost funky stem is a big turnoff for me if you need this to make it your size it is too small the frame is for someone about 5' 6".
And just what is wrong with MTB pedals and funky stems?




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...and btw, would some of you pass on a De Rosa Professional or a Masi GC for example, because someone stuck lower level components on a nice frameset?

Many of the nicer vintage framesets I see abroad have lower level components, but that doesn't tarnish the appeal of the frameset to me.

I could have that stem off the bike, a new one installed, and bars re-wrapped in an hour.

No biggie.
This reminds me of a sometimes frustrating attempt to alert a friend of mine about potential nice craigslist scores - I'll send him the link to a nice bike (frame), at a good price, and he will reply with something like " too bad the stem is so short" or, "that saddle looks uncomfortable", as if those things are deal killers.
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Should I be looking for something specific in terms of initials or 4 digit serial numbers?
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Should I be looking for something specific in terms of initials or 4 digit serial numbers?
Initials PSM on one side of the top of the seat and a four digit, five digit, or the letter D followed by three digit number on the other side.

I don't know the numbering sequence well enough to be of any help there though.

They may appear a little haphazardly stamped as well.

The paint was applied so thickly on the nice one I had two years ago, it filled in most of the numbers and letters.

Almost looked like a repaint.

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Does the appearance of PSM indicate it was made by Sante himself?
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Braze on waterbottle would put it after at least 76, but that frame has a lot of early 70's design elements not totally supported by some of the components I see. Regardless OP - hope you find a price agreeable to you, that frame sure looks nice.
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I think "PSM" may also be present on the headtube area...not sure but I seem to remember a pog frame like that.
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I think "PSM" may also be present on the headtube area...not sure but I seem to remember a pog frame like that.
Like this?

and I note that at least I have not seen many Pog's with that much chrome.
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No.
Lots of stories about him and I have no clue what's true.

I get way too much info from the net, which can be dangerous.

I owned three of these several years ago though.

Two were sold to folks that really, really wanted them.

Both were to die for, but it got totally out of control with bicycles and framesets around here.

...and they went for big $$$$$.

The third is living a comfortable existence in Chicago atm.
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I think "PSM" may also be present on the headtube area...not sure but I seem to remember a pog frame like that.
A close friend has a green and yellow Pogliaghi with these markings on the head tube.

I'll see if he won't allow a pic.

Might be fun to date it, as he would never bother.

Picked it up at a garage sale ten years ago or so!
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jazzycise - Please let us know what is happening with this interesting bike. As a few have noted, " the frame may be the star of this show" , it is possible it is not, but,...
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Will do, just going through exams this week, so its been tough to schedule good times.
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I think the frame/fork alone if in really good condition are worth that. It looks to be in really good condition from the picture minus the oddball group of parts. I'm always checking out eBay or Pogs, Somecs, Guerciottis in 49cm's but it's tough finding decent condition. If that was my bike I'd be firm at $500 but usually nicer stuff I don't ever list on CL and go straight to eBay.
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A close friend has a green and yellow Pogliaghi with these markings on the head tube.

I'll see if he won't allow a pic.

Might be fun to date it, as he would never bother.

Picked it up at a garage sale ten years ago or so!
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