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Old 04-26-12, 12:33 AM   #1
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bought a Bianchi...

Hello peeps!

Am new and glad to have found this forum.

Probably should have asked the forum first for opinions before purchasing but the deed is done and I am curious on the make and worth.

Bought a vintage Bianchi celeste green(repainted) road bike on craigslist and according to the seller, it's an 86 Premio but would like to verify and know it's origin of manufacture if possible. It's got a Sugino crank, Sora RD, Fubar toestraps, Dia-compe cantilever brakes front and rear. Wheelsets from a Trek FX7.5. Probably the rear sprockets too since they're 8 speed and the Shimano downtube shifters are 7. Dunno if the paint is originally Celeste but I don't really mind considering how well painted it is.(at least to me)

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BB serial number is 70184945.

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for a repaint that looks pretty good. they even got all the decals. overall this is a pretty nice bike. good score, I would suspect it was somewhere around $4-600? welcome to the forums ride safe and often.
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If the bicycle is a mid eighties Bianchi Premio, then the value, depending on where you are located, would be in the $200 to $300 range, in my opinion. The Champion d'Italia was close to entry level for such bicycles. That does not mean the bicycle is not worthy, just not higher end.

Also, the paint does not look like celeste to me. Rather it is the Bianchi turquoise and not nearly as sought after. And, for what it is worth, a repainted vintage road bicycle's value diminishes with new paint and art, believe it or not. To that add that the bicycle sports mis-matched components. That will also lower the value of the bicycle.

Sorry to be the bearer of disappointing news, but that would be my opinion of the bicycle.
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If the bicycle is a mid eighties Bianchi Premio, then the value, depending on where you are located, would be in the $200 to $300 range, in my opinion. The Champion d'Italia was close to entry level for such bicycles. That does not mean the bicycle is not worthy, just not higher end.

Also, the paint does not look like celeste to me. Rather it is the Bianchi turquoise and not nearly as sought after. And, for what it is worth, a repainted vintage road bicycle's value diminishes with new paint and art, believe it or not. To that add that the bicycle sports mis-matched components. That will also lower the value of the bicycle.

Sorry to be the bearer of disappointing news, but that would be my opinion of the bicycle.
Agreed, I could see it pushing $300 though. Repaint, really mixed bag of parts (spanning a couple decades), these are not good things for value. Might be a great rider though.
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If you like it and ride it often I'm sure it's worth every penny you paid for it!
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Weren't these Japan made lugged Bianchis really nice riding bikes? I would guess that the Infinity tubeset would make for a great touring/club riding experience.
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as long as you like it and its your size you did good. i agree...that is about a 200.00 bike depending if your in the sacramento area like me...would not sell for much more than that
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Decal work is a little sketchy. Painter used a DT decal on the ST. Makes me wonder about the workmanship. +1 Franken mix of components. RD looks like Shimano Light Action (low end), hard to tell with the strategically placed reflective tape. Tange Infinity is fine, but given other details, it may or may not be accurate.

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nice paint but celeste is a shade of green not blue (like the rear tire). Miyata is right, if you ride it and like it, it's worth it.
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I agree it is worth more as a rider.

As to what it is.... there is no way to tell. Who knows what the original color was or which parts are original. I will try and poke through the caltalogs and see if anything specifies Infinity tubing in the '86-89 years.
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Thank you for your opinions. All appreciated. Am not good with multiple quote replies but will do my best.

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for a repaint that looks pretty good. they even got all the decals. overall this is a pretty nice bike. good score, I would suspect it was somewhere around $4-600? welcome to the forums ride safe and often.


Thanks Citotec! The paint was what got me in the first place. So much so that I overlooked the rest of the bike.(components)

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Also, the paint does not look like celeste to me. Rather it is the Bianchi turquoise and not nearly as sought after. And, for what it is worth, a repainted vintage road bicycle's value diminishes with new paint and art, believe it or not. To that add that the bicycle sports mis-matched components. That will also lower the value of the bicycle.


Haha good catch! I was looking at Bianchi's website and wondered about the different shade. Also agree with your repaint assessment. Still it looks too good to just let it sit on the side. No worries on the news Randyjawa. Thank you for the critique.

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Agreed, I could see it pushing $300 though. Repaint, really mixed bag of parts (spanning a couple decades), these are not good things for value. Might be a great rider though.
You hit the jackpot on the purchase price Fastjake! It rides great and smooth but this is my first road bike so probably not good enough for the pros.

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If you like it and ride it often I'm sure it's worth every penny you paid for it!
Your comment probably applies to me best. This is my first road bike and am happy with how smooth it rides and how light it is!(probably 24lbs or less)

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What's lugged? Glad to hear it. Feels like it too.

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I lucked out and got the perfect size IMHO.(53cm/5'8" with 31" inseam) Also was told to look down at the handlebars while on the bike and I can't see the front wheel hub. No strain so far but my rides only went as far as 10 miles one way. I'm in LA. Does that matter?

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Decal work is a little sketchy. Painter used a DT decal on the ST. Makes me wonder about the workmanship. +1 Franken mix of components. RD looks like Shimano Light Action (low end), hard to tell with the strategically placed reflective tape. Tange Infinity is fine, but given other details, it may or may not be accurate.

$200 +/-/
What's DT? PO said he bought the stickers from London. Found something similar on ebay. Guess that's where he got em. Haha yeah it's a mixed bag. Really like it though except for some ghost shifting in 2 gears due to the mismatched gears/shifter. Peeled the reflective sticker back and saw a SORA sticker on the RD. Entry level but good?

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nice paint but celeste is a shade of green not blue (like the rear tire). Miyata is right, if you ride it and like it, it's worth it.
Ya good catch 2 on the paint! Definitely riding it more than my other bikes now.

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I agree it is worth more as a rider.

As to what it is.... there is no way to tell. Who knows what the original color was or which parts are original. I will try and poke through the caltalogs and see if anything specifies Infinity tubing in the '86-89 years.
Thank you Bianchigirl! Hope you can help me find out what it really is...or was hehe.


Again, thank you for the comments and warm welcome! Already got a foldable, a hybrid and a mountain bike. Almost bought a Specialized Sirrus. A road bike is the missing part of my equation. For $300 and a piece of history I can ride on, I have no regrets. Maybe just one. Should have gotten it sooner.

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I would certainly consider that bike much better than entry level. Nice wheels, Bianchi is well respected, enjoy it!

DT = down tube. Sticker on the seat tube is the same sticker, which is very unusual. Usually, seat tube stickers are significantly different (different size lettering, different orientation, etc.) As a rider, none of that matters.
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Thanks Wrk! The Bontrager race wheels looks sharp and matches well with the frame imho. Had the occasional drop down the curb and still true. The brakes feel weak though.

Got it on the DT and the stickers. Know what to look for next time.


Btw if more pics are needed to identify this frame, let me know and will do my best!
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Thanks Wrk! The Bontrager race wheels looks sharp and matches well with the frame imho. Had the occasional drop down the curb and still true. The brakes feel weak though.
Upgrade-itis is what you feel on the brakes. All you need to cure it in this instance is a set of high-tech dual-pivot brakes.
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Upgrade-itis is what you feel on the brakes. All you need to cure it in this instance is a set of high-tech dual-pivot brakes.
Will those fit the stock mounting? How much do they cost? Gonna google it.
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First in regards to the brakes.. Unless you want 'flying over the handlebars' stopping power, I would ditch those 20+ yo brake pads and try something like these daul compound KoolStops first. http://www.ebikestop.com/koolstop_cr...pad-BR2170.php However the answer to your question is yes a regular recessed mounting brake will fit on your bike.


Now as for an ID on this Bianchi.......... People who willynilly go oround painting bikes should be shot!! Looking through the '85 to '87 catalogs isee no mention of Infinity tubing (until '88/89 Bianchi seldom mentions a tubing type just wether it is DB Chromoly or Columbus). I can tell from any of the pics if the tubing sticker it Infinity or not.

The only thing I can almost say for sure it it is an '87 or older. '87 was the last year for the Bianchi to be stamped in the stay caps but it is always possible that older frames or caps were used.

Now here is where things really go bad. The Premios in '86/87 appear to have nutted brakes although this could have been changed after the catalogs were printed. So it is possible it is a different higher model but which one?

I am kind of leaning towards an '87 Premio based on the DiaCompe 500 brakes w/ Aero levers and the shimano DT shifters.

Whatever it is it is sure to be a great riding bike. I like my '87 Sport SX as much as my '00 Mega Pro XL Ti.
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First in regards to the brakes.. Unless you want 'flying over the handlebars' stopping power, I would ditch those 20+ yo brake pads and try something like these daul compound KoolStops first. http://www.ebikestop.com/koolstop_cr...pad-BR2170.php However the answer to your question is yes a regular recessed mounting brake will fit on your bike.
Got it. So you think those brake pads are still the original ones? Guess they're fossilized by now. Gonna try new pads first then.

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Now as for an ID on this Bianchi.......... People who willynilly go oround painting bikes should be shot!! Looking through the '85 to '87 catalogs isee no mention of Infinity tubing (until '88/89 Bianchi seldom mentions a tubing type just wether it is DB Chromoly or Columbus). I can tell from any of the pics if the tubing sticker it Infinity or not.

The only thing I can almost say for sure it it is an '87 or older. '87 was the last year for the Bianchi to be stamped in the stay caps but it is always possible that older frames or caps were used.

Now here is where things really go bad. The Premios in '86/87 appear to have nutted brakes although this could have been changed after the catalogs were printed. So it is possible it is a different higher model but which one?

I am kind of leaning towards an '87 Premio based on the DiaCompe 500 brakes w/ Aero levers and the shimano DT shifters.

Whatever it is it is sure to be a great riding bike. I like my '87 Sport SX as much as my '00 Mega Pro XL Ti.
So it's possible it's not Infinity Tange tubing? That's a bummer. Thought all those made in Japan have it?

Looking around the internet on descriptions, am also suspecting an 87.

My brakes are nutted correct?

Good to know some of the components still hold some clue for this one. PO said he replaced the RD because the old one broke.

Thanks for trying to ID my frankenbike.

Btw, checked out your flicker photos...sick bike collection! And I thought I was hoarding.
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Got it. So you think those brake pads are still the original ones? Guess they're fossilized by now. Gonna try new pads first then.



So it's possible it's not Infinity Tange tubing? That's a bummer. Thought all those made in Japan have it? It is possible but as I said Bianchi just say Tange tubing and does not always specify grade. There are several levels of tange tubing and lots of a companies use proprietary tubing custome made for them. Bianchi does that alot.

Looking around the internet on descriptions, am also suspecting an 87.

My brakes are nutted correct? Your brakes are recessed.

Good to know some of the components still hold some clue for this one. PO said he replaced the RD because the old one broke.

Thanks for trying to ID my frankenbike. Thank You

Btw, checked out your flicker photos...sick bike collection! And I thought I was hoarding.
Thank (blushing) You. I actually have a few that are not on there as I ran out of storage space.
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Additional update. Asked the PO and here's more info:

1. Bike was repainted in the same color.(according to him it's Celeste) Looks Celeste to me too until I was able to compare with the other online pics. Read somewhere Bianchi painted their Celeste in different shades depending on the availability or years? Or maybe the paint shop messed up the shade a bit.

2. RD originally was a Suntour Accushift Edge. From googling around, looks like this came with the entry level bikes.

3. The frame originally had the Infinity Tange Cro-mo sticker.

4. Dia-compe brakes have "Made in Japan" etched behind it.


Definitely made in Japan but still a Premio then?
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Weren't these Japan made lugged Bianchis really nice riding bikes? I would guess that the Infinity tubeset would make for a great touring/club riding experience.

I have a '83-ish Bianchi, made in Japan. It is (for me and my collection of old heavy steel) light and rides like a dream. The lugs are fantastic looking, as well. Sheldon mentions that the "made in Japan" Bianchis were of better quality than the Italian ones of the same era.
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Additional update. Asked the PO and here's more info:

1. Bike was repainted in the same color.(according to him it's Celeste) Looks Celeste to me too until I was able to compare with the other online pics. Read somewhere Bianchi painted their Celeste in different shades depending on the availability or years? Or maybe the paint shop messed up the shade a bit.

2. RD originally was a Suntour Accushift Edge. From googling around, looks like this came with the entry level bikes.

3. The frame originally had the Infinity Tange Cro-mo sticker.

4. Dia-compe brakes have "Made in Japan" etched behind it.


Definitely made in Japan but still a Premio then?
Everytime you come back with more little tidbits you create new problems and more questions.


The only 80s Premio I see with an Edge RD was the '89, however it would have come with Blaze brakes, a unicrown style fork, Bianchi specific Tange drawn tubes and woud not have been Celeste.

Also the Bianchi pressed into the stay caps certainly identifies this as an '87 or earlier frame.

Where is this bike? the US or elsewhere?

Bianchi does specicy Infinity tubing on the '93 and 94 Premio but the seatstay/seatlug treatment is differen as well as these frames would have a vertical dropouts, unicrown forks and an oversized and ovalized downtube where it meets the BB shell.
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I have a '83-ish Bianchi, made in Japan. It is (for me and my collection of old heavy steel) light and rides like a dream. The lugs are fantastic looking, as well. Sheldon mentions that the "made in Japan" Bianchis were of better quality than the Italian ones of the same era.
Same experience here as well. Good to hear on the quality side.

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Also the Bianchi pressed into the stay caps certainly identifies this as an '87 or earlier frame.

Where is this bike? the US or elsewhere?

Bianchi does specicy Infinity tubing on the '93 and 94 Premio but the seatstay/seatlug treatment is differen as well as these frames would have a vertical dropouts, unicrown forks and an oversized and ovalized downtube where it meets the BB shell.
Haha that's really weird then. Like a bike going thru lots of owners or something and picking up parts along the way. Los Angeles. It's possible the bike isn't local though but for someone to import it from abroad must be a real big fan.

Do any Premio models come in Celeste?
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One or two may have come in Celeste in the mid '90s.

Yes your bike seems to have had a past. But she looks beautiful now and seems to in great shape for what she has been through. Just ignore her past and enjoy her a great riding bike.
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One or two may have come in Celeste in the mid '90s.

Yes your bike seems to have had a past. But she looks beautiful now and seems to in great shape for what she has been through. Just ignore her past and enjoy her a great riding bike.
I see. Are those the higher end ones? Pretty rare bunch and with my frame being at most an 87, someone might have changed the color at some point of this bike's travels.

As for letting the past go, will try my best though that nagging thing called curiosity will always be at the back of my mind. Still enjoying the ride though.

Thanks again for the great info!
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