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    Peugeot or Miele?

    Both bikes the same price - $400. As a relative newb to vintage road bikes, wanted any advice on what is the better deal.

    Thanks.

    1. Miele:

    22 inch ishiwata 022 quadruple butted chromoly frame and fork, suntour sprint components, upgraded aero wheelset 8 speed, new cables

    2. Peugeot:

    1984 Peugeot Course PB12, Reynolds 501 tubing, Huret rear derailleur, not sure of other components


    Miele.jpgPeugeot 1.jpgPeugeot 2.jpgPeugeot 3.jpg

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    First off...The Miele looks to be a bit taller .... which one fits you best ? Also, where are you located, as I dont think either one for $400 is any great deal.
    Dont rush into anything, as I think you can probably find a better deal if you take your time a bit and shop hard.
    Anyhow...welcome to the forums !!

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    Both are overpriced by 30 to 50%

    The Miele is a better deal if it fits you. Newer, Nicer frame, better components, better condition. Would go as high as $275 for it.

    Agree that there may be better deals out there.

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    Thank you for all the quick responses. I live in Toronto - hence the markups, I guess. What about this Peugeot for $350? A little bit of internet digging suggested to me that it is a PS28 model . . .

    Shimano 105 components, Ishiwata EX 4130 frame, Specialized All-Condition tires, Mailliard front hubPS28 1.jpgPS28 2.jpgPS28 3.jpg


    Also, should mention that the Miele is 55cm, the Peugeot PB12 is 21", and the Peugeot PS28 is 23". I am 5'10. The Miele seller is firm on his price, as is the PS28 at $350. The PB12 may be flexible, though I doubt I could get as low as $275.
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    Speckled with rust, dirty, well worn, no thanks.

    All overpriced, the Miele is the most interesting of the 3.

    Look harder, cast a wider net.

    If I was ready to overpay, I would rather have that Miele at $400, than either of those Peugeots at their prices. No contest, not even close.
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    What should I be looking for as a newcomer to road biking, and not being prepared to spend ~ $1000 for a new bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsnyder85 View Post
    What should I be looking for as a newcomer to road biking, and not being prepared to spend ~ $1000 for a new bike?
    Get educated first, and then when you see a deal, POUNCE. There are plenty of people out there that know bike values, and when they see one listed well under market, they are immediately in their cars driving. I picked up a tasty Cannondale that way yesterday.

    By the time you get an answer to: "Hey is this one a good deal?", the good deals are gone, and you can pretty much answer the question yourself at that point. The one exception to that rule are higher end bikes (each market defines high end differently). In a hot market like Toronto, higher end might be in the $700+/- range. Around here, higher end is about $400.

    With the wonderful internet, it is really easy to get educated on what makes for a good bike, and what is a bike worth. Start at Randy Jawa's my ten speeds web site first.

    In any financial transaction, the person with the most knowledge wins. Be that person, or risk getting a lousy deal.
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    Toronto is a tough market and, as others have already said, all the bikes you have listed are over priced. Eventually, the sellers will come to that realization and will not be so "firm" in their prices. The pink Miele is not a 55cm frame, more like a 58, probably too big for you but it is the best of the three you have listed.

    If I were you I would borrow someone's car and get out to Oakville and buy this Bianchi cyclocross. It should fit you nicely and it will be a very good bike for riding in the mean streets of Toronto:

    http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-s...AdIdZ405299898

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    Too bad, no vehicle to get out there, I would have to take the train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Get educated first, and then when you see a deal, POUNCE. There are plenty of people out there that know bike values, and when they see one listed well under market, they are immediately in their cars driving. I picked up a tasty Cannondale that way yesterday.

    By the time you get an answer to: "Hey is this one a good deal?", the good deals are gone, and you can pretty much answer the question yourself at that point. The one exception to that rule are higher end bikes (each market defines high end differently). In a hot market like Toronto, higher end might be in the $700+/- range. Around here, higher end is about $400.

    With the wonderful internet, it is really easy to get educated on what makes for a good bike, and what is a bike worth. Start at Randy Jawa's my ten speeds web site first.

    In any financial transaction, the person with the most knowledge wins. Be that person, or risk getting a lousy deal.


    Assuming 700 high end in Toronto, how lousy of a deal is paying 300-400 for the bikes I've listed (or comparable)? My problem is two-fold:
    1. The old road bike I was riding (my father's) was stolen, so I'm stuck commuting on the subway, which I don't enjoy doing while the weather is fair. Thus, I'd like to get a bike sooner than later. I do recognize that this makes me more susceptible to paying a premium.
    2. I am a graduate student and fairly busy with class work, etc. so I don't, unfortunately, have much time to spend shopping around (besides the internet, which is ever convenient).

    I had actually stumbled upon the "my ten speed" website, which is where I realized how little I knew. I decided to post here, mainly to ensure I was finding bikes of good quality, and not getting totally hosed on the price.

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    The higher end bikes tend to sit for longer as the market for them is smaller but I feel there is a lot more value to be had for $700 than for $400.

    In the $300 to $400 range you have tons of ****ty bikes being sold by people who are basically hoping to find a buyer who is ignorant and won't know they are getting ripped off---you at least have had the common sense to do a bit of research, many people do not.

    In the $700 to $1200 range you are more likely to get a quality bike and the seller is likely going to be someone who knows what they have and are interested in bikes in general. That usually means the seller has taken care of the bike or has had it tuned up over the years.

    Of course, there are outliers in both ranges, people who think their bike is valuable just because it is old and people who have a 1968 Cinelli that grandpa rode and figure it is worth about $100 because gramps was a cheap bastard

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    Thank you for all your help. I guess the wise thing to do is sit tight for now and continue trolling Kijiji . . . and maybe divert some of my student loans!

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    I dunno, but the Peugeot on your pics seem to be too old to have 501 tubing. IIRC, they did not use 501 tubing till the 84 model year on their mid level bikes. That one looks to be possible earlier 80's because of the paint job, half chromed fork and graphics. $400 bucks seems to be way too much for it though. If it's not at least a full 531 frame, I would put the price on that bike at right at $300 max if it is in mint condition. If it's full 531, then you might justify approaching the $400 price.

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