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    Gios Torino Full Campy - value

    Hi everyone!
    I am looking to buy a quality bike with good value.
    Unfortunatley, I have absolutely no idea about the value and quality of vintage bikes.
    I hope somebody can help me out and give me some good advice concerning my buying decision.

    The bike is offered on craigslist. Here is the link with the seller's description and pictures of the bike:
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    I am happy about any piece of information that you may have to share concerning this this bike and its value!

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    And description:
    Very clean, very finely crafted Italian Road bike made by Gios Torino. Weighing in at only 23 pounds, this baby is a feather. Complete Campagnolo Record down to the chainring bolts. Cinelli Stem and Bars. Original hubs rebuilt with Velocity Synergy Rims. Beautiful lugged steel and fresh powder coat job.

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    Gios Torino Full Campy - value

    Hi everyone!
    I am looking to buy a quality bike with good value.
    Unfortunatley, I have absolutely no idea about the value and quality of vintage bikes.
    I hope somebody can help me out and give me some good advice concerning my buying decision.
    I am 6.1 ft and want a faaaast bike.

    The bike is offered on craigslist. Here is the link with the seller's description and pictures of the bike:

    LINK

    And the description:

    Very clean, very finely crafted Italian Road bike made by Gios Torino. Weighing in at only 23 pounds, this baby is a feather. Complete Campagnolo Record down to the chainring bolts. Cinelli Stem and Bars. Original hubs rebuilt with Velocity Synergy Rims. Beautiful lugged steel and fresh powder coat job.

    Pic:
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    Cost: 600 Dollar

    I am happy about any piece of information that you may have to share concerning this this bike and its value!

    Cheers,
    Otty
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    The link in your post is truncated and doesn't work.

    Is this the listing?

    ...or this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otty View Post
    .......looking to buy a quality bike with good value...
    Unfortunatley, I have absolutely no idea about the value and quality of vintage bikes..........

    Being in this position as an uneducated buyer can be very dangerous. Of course most sellers will say their bikes are VERY valuable.

    Is there a particular reason you are looking to buy a 30 year old bike?

    do you know roughly what size bike you need?

    Id recommend taking your thousand bucks to a real bike shop and talking to a salesman. You wont get the classic/vintage machine your looking for but you will get a good, modern, starter bike w/ full support of trained mechanics, plus an education.

    Make your (n) +1 the classic steel racer once you know a little more about what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
    The link in your post is truncated and doesn't work.

    Is this the listing?

    ...or this one?
    Yes! Its the second one!!

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    ok your second post just popped up. $600 is a little different than the $950 I thought you were looking to spend.
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    Sorry, but your links still don't work. Based on your description, it's the second link I added in my post above.

    That's a pretty big frame, so you should be six feet tall or so for it to fit. It's a repaint with powder coat and no decals, so you really need to know how to verify what it is (lug details, serial numbers, etc.). $600 is not a screaming deal especially for a repaint, but probably fair for the L.A. market (assuming it's genuine). If you have a friend who is familiar with 70s vintage Italian bikes, take them with you to look at it. Check for stuck seatpost and handlebar stem. New powder coat can cover up dents and dings that may have been filled, so inspect it carefully.
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    Thanks for the posts! I negotiated down to 425 Dollar. Can I get better modern bikes for that money? I am mainly looking for speed but I also like the style of the Gios Torino.

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    425 wont go very far at your lbs. a few options here.

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/road_bikes.htm

    60 cm is a large frame are you kinda tall??
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    Yeah I am 6.1ft. That tall enough?

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    That ain't no Gios. Not even built by Gios. Well maybe, but I really don't think so. For 600 bucks, a big maybe. 300-350 bucks, now you are talking. Oh, by the way, I used to have a gios.
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    ^ I don't know why you'd say that - the pics don't show enough to make a judgement call one way or another. The money shot would be the seatstay cap treatment, and of course the bottom of the BB shell/top of fork crown for GT pantos.

    The pics in the auction are too far away, thus are pretty vague and generic. Could be anything - even a Gios

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    i was going to say the same DD. I own a Torino and cannot confirm either way with those pictures.

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    425 is a fair deal for that bike if it fits. The repaint actually drags value down a bit.

    That bike would fit me fairly well; I am aproximately your height. However, My arms and legs are on the longish size. Take your pants inseam and subtract 9; if you wind up with 25 that bike should be in your range.

    I would take this over a 425 modern bike pretty much any day of the week.
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    I agree with everyones statements above except post #5 . Authenticity and condition under the paint is key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otty View Post
    Thanks for the posts! I negotiated down to 425 Dollar. Can I get better modern bikes for that money? I am mainly looking for speed but I also like the style of the Gios Torino.
    If you are resourceful, a great shopper, knowledgeable, and have the ability to POUNCE, then sure, you will get a better deal (cheaper) on a modern bike. Although I focus on vintage bikes, I'll typically buy 15 to 20 modern bikes per year to resell, as the values are compelling.

    Note, good deals tend to sell fast, particularly on modern bikes, faster than you will get an answer to: "Hey, is this one a good deal??"

    If your goal is to have a faaast bike, then you are better off with something modern (ouch), carbon or Ti (double ouch), with modern integrated brake lever shifting (triple ouch). Nothing about the bike you posted above screams FAST to me.

    23 pounds is NOT a feather, its not even light weight in the vintage world. Its kind of average. And the new go fast stuff is all well under the 20 pound mark.

    In my case, my speed is all about me (limited motor), rather than the old bike I am riding.

    And on value, once a bike has been powdercoated, unless you are an expert on that brand and model, its almost impossible to verify it is what the seller claims it is. And even if it is what is claimed, condition under the powdercoat? Who knows? Could be anything. Certainly its resale value is limited due to the lack of original paint and decals (and you cannot make it original again...)
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    The brake cables are on the wrong side of the bars. That reduces the value by at least $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    The brake cables are on the wrong side of the bars. That reduces the value by at least $200.
    You may have to explain yourself here. If you are talking right to left, European and American bikes differ in what side which brake was on but then maybe the bike in question was "updated" to match the current standard. If you are talking over or under, I would say its more of a personal thing.
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    Right to left is more of a personal thing. Those cables definitely belong behind the bars. It puts a smoother bend in the front cable and both cables have less tendency to flop. As it is, it looks like the bike was assembled by a newbie.

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    Gios Torino Full Campy - value

    $425 for a full Campy Gios? Go for it. Cable routing, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
    $425 for a full Campy Gios? Go for it. Cable routing, really?
    It might be, if it is, $425 is a go get it kind of price, but too bad on the powder coat job.
    It is not full Campagnolo though, the pedals are not.

    The assembly is without finesse. Which would lead me to redo it all to verify and possibly redo things.
    At the minimum, I would get a set of Gios Graphics if it is a real deal. But I would be tempted to repaint it correctly first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    .......good deals tend to sell fast, particularly on modern bikes, faster than you will get an answer to: "Hey, is this one a good deal??"
    If your goal is to have a faaast bike, then you are better off with something with modern integrated brake lever shifting Nothing about the bike you posted above screams FAST to me. 23 pounds is NOT a feather.............
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