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    Colnago Titanio

    Hello,

    Please let me know if this is worth $675.

    It was just posted today on classifieds in my area.

    I believe I might be able to get it down to $400.

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    Very narrow range of pictures I know, I will be requesting wider shots.

    I'm very intrigued by the twin tubes and the fact that it's a titanium frame makes me think this might be very worthwhile.

    Does anyone know anything about this bike and history?

    Any idea of the size from these pics?

    Looking forward to what people think.

    Thanks!

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    Can't tell anything from the pics except that the rear mech and brakes seem to be in nice condition. If it is a Colnago, it is easily worth the asking price (not that you should give that) and will be gone fast. If you are interested you should have already contacted the seller and set up a time to view the bike. Don't ask for more pics or size or weight...just go see it in person. If it seems henky when you get there take your own pics and post them here.
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    Ye, its cool, its titanium but there are several questions hanging...

    Who made it for Colnago?
    Why is there a Shimano 600 Tricolore ( EX ) group on it?
    ( dont get me wrong - those are sweet parts, but I would expect highest lvl group on it )
    Is STI working?

    I would say it's worth the asking price, and you should go and check it out in person.

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    My understanding is that Colnago did make their own ti frames - though they may have outsourced at times too. A local shop owner had one and thought it was a POS. It ended up cracking down the TT on him on a climb. My general view of ti is that when buying ti, you stick to the folks who build a lot of ti - moots, Merlin, seven, spectrum and firefly. I'm a fan of staying in a builders speciality - you don't buy a ti frame from someone who doesn't work with it much and who doesn't have a lot of background in what does and doesn't work with ti frames.

    My de rosa Titanio is not as nice as my Merlin in ride or build quality - and the De rosa titanios are better regarded by most than the Colnagos. Is it a solid deal? Yes. Would I want it? Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    My understanding is that Colnago did make their own ti frames - though they may have outsourced at times too. A local shop owner had one and thought it was a POS. It ended up cracking down the TT on him on a climb. My general view of ti is that when buying ti, you stick to the folks who build a lot of ti - moots, Merlin, seven, spectrum and firefly. I'm a fan of staying in a builders speciality - you don't buy a ti frame from someone who doesn't work with it much and who doesn't have a lot of background in what does and doesn't work with ti frames.

    My de rosa Titanio is not as nice as my Merlin in ride or build quality - and the De rosa titanios are better regarded by most than the Colnagos. Is it a solid deal? Yes. Would I want it? Not really.
    +1 on staying with manufacturers that are "experienced" in building bikes in specific materials.
    A good example of a manufacturer not being able to handle a certain bike design format is Peugeot. Peugeot tried to figure out a new design for their own (Not Vitus) aluminum bike in the late 80's and it eventually led to the huge Comete/Galaxie bike debacle for them.....
    Not saying that this Colnago Ti bike is a bad design, as I never owned one to know, but there certainly is something to staying with manufacturers that will most likely be best equipped to produce certain types of bikes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    My understanding is that Colnago did make their own ti frames - though they may have outsourced at times too. A local shop owner had one and thought it was a POS. It ended up cracking down the TT on him on a climb. My general view of ti is that when buying ti, you stick to the folks who build a lot of ti - moots, Merlin, seven, spectrum and firefly. I'm a fan of staying in a builders speciality - you don't buy a ti frame from someone who doesn't work with it much and who doesn't have a lot of background in what does and doesn't work with ti frames.

    My de rosa Titanio is not as nice as my Merlin in ride or build quality - and the De rosa titanios are better regarded by most than the Colnagos. Is it a solid deal? Yes. Would I want it? Not really.
    I love Colnagos, but not this one.

    I have personally cracked one of these babies.

    I was highly irritated by this, as I had owned it for a week.

    Pro tip: Keep looking. You'll find a nice Colnago or something suitable, but I don't think it should be this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomango View Post
    I have personally cracked one of these babies.

    I was highly irritated by this, as I had owned it for a week.
    Wow, your quads can output 500Watt?
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    I just hope that all this cracking Ti talk will not lead to people thinking that Ti tubes cracks eventually on most or all Ti bikes. Just like all the talk about how many cycles of stress an Al bike can take before it cracks.....
    I always thought that Ti tubing was supposedly the formula for what could be close to a "forever" lasting bike frame??...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CenturionIM View Post
    Wow, your quads can output 500Watt?
    Nope, just a crappy build on the frameset.

    Fyi There's a history on this frameset and it isn't stellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    I just hope that all this cracking Ti talk will not lead to people thinking that Ti tubes cracks eventually on most or all Ti bikes. Just like all the talk about how many cycles of stress an Al bike can take before it cracks.....
    I always thought that Ti tubing was supposedly the formula for what could be close to a "forever" lasting bike frame??...
    It's all in the builder and in this case, it was a flop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerNo.7 View Post
    Ye, its cool, its titanium but there are several questions hanging...

    Who made it for Colnago?
    Why is there a Shimano 600 Tricolore ( EX ) group on it?
    ( dont get me wrong - those are sweet parts, but I would expect highest lvl group on it )
    Is STI working?

    I would say it's worth the asking price, and you should go and check it out in person.
    eh... 600 EX (6200 series) is a different generation and completly different from 600 Ultegra (6400 series) "Tricolor"

    Many top of the line framesets forgoed Dura Ace and had 600 Ultegra during the late 80's - early 90's (to reserve the DA for the aluminium framesets), whereas that would not have been the case during the EX era
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    I just hope that all this cracking Ti talk will not lead to people thinking that Ti tubes cracks eventually on most or all Ti bikes. Just like all the talk about how many cycles of stress an Al bike can take before it cracks.....
    I always thought that Ti tubing was supposedly the formula for what could be close to a "forever" lasting bike frame??...
    Ti is unforgiving of error, my understanding (and I'm not an expert) is there can be issues if oxygen gets into the welding process. When it's done properly, it's a great frame material - but mistakes are easier to make and the results are more serious. That's why I always advise buying ti from people who work with mostly ti.

    You're talking about fatigue - aluminum and ti are different - the cracks that you are talking about don't occur with ti over time. I've heard that aluminum bikes are so over engineered that the limit is laregly hypothetical with them, but it absolutely exists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit
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    Go and buy the Colnago Titanio it's worth the money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gioscinelli View Post
    Go and buy the Colnago Titanio it's worth the money!
    I would call it a $400. gamble that you could recoup at least half should it crack.
    The problem is the back purging of the weld area (or lack of it actually) unseen problems of as stated oxygen contaminating the weld.
    On those narrow down tubes the purge tubes need to be way down near the weld zone, and if you don't run the purge (inert gas) for a decent length of time before the weld... bad things happen.

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    Your right about the construction quality and method. Assuming that the OP has presents of mind, the value is based on condition and manufacture. The parts alone will pay for the frame when parted out.
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    Colnago Bititans bring in big money on eBay, I would buy it for the asking price without hesitation and would be extremely happy to pay $400.

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    All bikes can crack.
    My litespeed vortex and plenty of other vortex owners have cracked.
    It took ten years to crack, they repaired it and off I go again, such a sweet riding bike, I just can't quit it.

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    Notice I didn't include Litespeed in the recommended list I know plenty of people who are happy with theirs and are fans of Litespeed - some who are very knowledgeable - but I think there are a higher percentage of unhappy Litespeed owners. Perhaps you hear more about Litespeed problems simply because there are more Litespeeds. I am VERY fond of my Litespeed obed MTB frame.

    I haven't ridden one (I generally am not a Colnago guy), but I didn't find the one I saw especially impressive in build and the owner didn't like the ride at all. To me it looks like a gimmick from a company not known for the material. Would I buy to flip? Sure. As a bike to own? Not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
    Colnago Bititans bring in big money on eBay, I would buy it for the asking price without hesitation and would be extremely happy to pay $400.
    To resell it and make some bucks?

    Sure, why not.

    To ride it?

    Not worth the time. Too many others out there.

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    I sold these bikes in-the-day and can tell you that most (over 50%) of these Bi Ti frames broke. Said to have been made for Colnago in Russia, they simply were lemons.

    Side comment that Litespeeds are crapping out now in large numbers too, not to same degree but enough to have me only recommend titanium from low quantity/high quality specialty frame makers. ABG/Litespeed is not honoring their lifetime warranty either....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowgear45 View Post
    I sold these bikes in-the-day and can tell you that most (over 50%) of these Bi Ti frames broke. Said to have been made for Colnago in Russia, they simply were lemons.

    Side comment that Litespeeds are crapping out now in large numbers too, not to same degree but enough to have me only recommend titanium from low quantity/high quality specialty frame makers. ABG/Litespeed is not honoring their lifetime warranty either....
    Always nice to see people more knowledgeable than me confirm my mishegas

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    Don't know much, but I've heard 2nd hand the same as noted above...they were a poor design, broke often, but they seem to bring good money @ the bay for some reason (rarity?).

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