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    To Part or Not to Part a Peugeot PX10?

    I bought this 62cm PX10 last summer, but just picked up another PX10 which fits me better. You can see from the photos it is in very good used condition.

    Stronglight cranks
    Simplex clamp on shifters
    Stronglight headset
    Lyotard pedals
    Mafac "Racer" brakes and levers
    Simplex seat post
    Campagnolo Record hubs and skewers, tubular rims (no decals)
    Unknown freewheel
    Unknown stem
    Unknown handlebars
    Frame Reynold 531 62cm

    I'd likely hang onto the Rolls saddle, and the Shimano 105 front and rear derailleurs. The rd hanger has been modified to take the Shimano 105.

    So the question are as follows:

    What flavor Record hubs are those?
    Are rims Mavic?
    Value parted out?
    Value, sold complete sans saddle and FD/RD in metro NYC or ebay price?

    Complete photo set here.

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    ...I'm sorry, but I got no clue about NYC or e-bay pricing, but these in similar shape, with modifications
    similar to yours, regularly sell in the $400-$500 range here in NorCal on the Craigslist.

    I know that, for a while at least, the smaller ones were bringing pretty good bucks from Japan on e-bay.

    Otherwise, color me clueless.
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    Given the asking price I saw on one in New Jersey, I'd sell it complete (OK, almost complete).

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    It will be much easier to sell everything as a complete bike and since the parts are not that rare you'd be at no real risk parting things out. The reality is most people just want complete bikes more so than a hodge podge of parts. Good luck.

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    it is bad karma to part out a survivor like that one

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    How does the universe at large value an old bike to establish karma value? Geeze, bad karma, its an old bike. That said, as a profit only item part it out, but it would be nice to sell it to an appreciative buyer as original as possible.

    Here is the ranting opinion part. Back in the day, I raced and worked at a bike shop. None of had "original" bikes. We switched parts like underwear, differing wheels for differing races, derailleurs depending on mood and current weights, cranks not so much, saddles for sure, seat posts sometimes, shifters for me tended to go back and forth between bar ends and DTs. The obsession of some to "original" is a figment of how bikes were used and ridden in my opinion, collectors of as sold bikes excepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    How does the universe at large value an old bike to establish karma value? Geeze, bad karma, its an old bike. That said, as a profit only item part it out, but it would be nice to sell it to an appreciative buyer as original as possible.

    Here is the ranting opinion part. Back in the day, I raced and worked at a bike shop. None of had "original" bikes. We switched parts like underwear, differing wheels for differing races, derailleurs depending on mood and current weights, cranks not so much, saddles for sure, seat posts sometimes, shifters for me tended to go back and forth between bar ends and DTs. The obsession of some to "original" is a figment of how bikes were used and ridden in my opinion, collectors of as sold bikes excepted.
    I put old bicycles that can no longer be found back together if needed, I would never destroy one. Somebody can enjoy that bike another 45 years. Yea their are some people in this world that would part out their mother for a profit, doesnt make it right. Bikes like that are more than just an old bike, they tell a story of history that can never be repeated. I have put back together or refurbished hundreds of bikes, I try to sell them very reasonably so persons can enjoy them once again. I also give away many to people in need. To part them out to make a few extra bucks is just wrong. I think the good I have gained good karma by my actions. Many people seek me out to sell me bikes for very cheap or give them to me to refurbish. I was just given a Schwinn Town and Country Tandem that I have 75% refurbished it and will be finished soon with it. I would be an idiot to part it out after someone was kind enough to give it to me.

    That is how the universe values my attitude toward "old bikes".

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    If you can determine which parts are original and which were added later, I would strip the non-original parts and sell the frame with what is left. There are lots of PX-10 lovers out there, and that one looks to be in great shape from the photo.

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    It is the diversity of the opinions which keeps this forum interesting, thank you for sharing.

    Upon my further research, there is not a big delta between as-is and parted out. PX10's trade on the big market for $400-$1200, so if I can get in just about mid range when winter finally lifts, there is no advantage to parting out.

    Still looking for an ID on the Campagnolo hubs?
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    Unfortunately, the large 62 cm frame on the bike is what might drag the price down on it, along with all the components installed on the frame. It's just in the "normal" bike world, large framed bikes just don't attract as many buyers. That's why, unfortunately, you might only get more money, if you part it out. Now if the bike was something like a 56cm size, it will be in the "sweet spot" of frame sizes and lots of people are always looking for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
    It is the diversity of the opinions which keeps this forum interesting, thank you for sharing.

    Upon my further research, there is not a big delta between as-is and parted out. PX10's trade on the big market for $400-$1200, so if I can get in just about mid range when winter finally lifts, there is no advantage to parting out.

    Still looking for an ID on the Campagnolo hubs?
    Unless those huge are from a Motobecane… (small chance and have the Tipo winged wheel center logo) they are Record hubs, circa? If the rear hub lacks text advising the freewheel thread type then they are before 1977 or so. Locknut clamp side tells all. The skewers appear prior to 1977.

    Interesting a PX-10 with Campagnolo hub exchange. How 1960's Pro team. (which it is not of course)

    Rims if without labels and eyelets could be Super Champion or Mavic takes a close inspection to know sometimes with the tire off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Unfortunately, the large 62 cm frame on the bike is what might drag the price down on it, along with all the components installed on the frame. It's just in the "normal" bike world, large framed bikes just don't attract as many buyers. That's why, unfortunately, you might only get more money, if you part it out. Now if the bike was something like a 56cm size, it will be in the "sweet spot" of frame sizes and lots of people are always looking for that.
    I am not so sure this contention about larger frames is true, for one thing people are taller than they were 40 years ago. I have flipped about 400 bikes, in my experience the tall frames get a quick response from tall men lol. The smaller mens frames do attract women who want a mens frame but seems like the taller ones go faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    How does the universe at large value an old bike to establish karma value? Geeze, bad karma, its an old bike. That said, as a profit only item part it out, but it would be nice to sell it to an appreciative buyer as original as possible.

    Here is the ranting opinion part. Back in the day, I raced and worked at a bike shop. None of had "original" bikes. We switched parts like underwear, differing wheels for differing races, derailleurs depending on mood and current weights, cranks not so much, saddles for sure, seat posts sometimes, shifters for me tended to go back and forth between bar ends and DTs. The obsession of some to "original" is a figment of how bikes were used and ridden in my opinion, collectors of as sold bikes excepted.
    +10 My other pet peeve on the distain of people that part out bikes: Many times the same people that complain are also asking: "Hey does anyone have a 1960s Campy xyz part? I really need one." Without parting out, the vintage parts market would dry up. If you think vintage components are expensive now, you haven't seen anything yet. Just outlaw part outs.


    On XL bikes, I definitely see prices drop significantly. I guess I need to visit Howee's market. It commonly takes me a year to sell anything 25 inch or larger, even after discounting them about 25% below the same year/model bike in a 23 inch size.

    I find it is all supply and demand. It is rare to see a vintage racing bike smaller than a 19 inch frame. I have found exactly three of them in the last 600 bikes. Check out one of the old early 1970s Schwinn catalogs sometime. The small adult Continental was a 22 inch frame, the medium a 24 inch frame, and a large was a 26 inch frame. Riders were put on bigger bikes. In addition, I see a huge influx of female riders, looking for a small or extra small frame quality racing bike.


    Check out this 1973 Sports Tourer for example: http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...0/1973_11.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by howeeee View Post
    I am not so sure this contention about larger frames is true, for one thing people are taller than they were 40 years ago. I have flipped about 400 bikes, in my experience the tall frames get a quick response from tall men lol. The smaller mens frames do attract women who want a mens frame but seems like the taller ones go faster.
    Maybe Michigan people are taller and bigger on average? I haven't had difficulty either, even though anyone over 6'1" is in 5% of the male population.
    Right now in the NYC area, there are no other PX10's available. In fact, there are few available anywhere in the country. Probably just a seasonal aberration.

    Any recommendations on acceptable low cost tubular tires?
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    Sell it complete. The frame lost 50%, at minimum, of its value from the hanger mod.

    Depending on your interpretation of 'significant' the only part on the bike with significant value are the hubs.
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    The value on that PX10 is lower because it doesn't have the fancy Nervex lugs.
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    I say no on stripping you will get the same or better value NYC classic value with a bit off time.

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