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kumis 03-13-14 11:33 AM

1987ish Rossin Professional Team Frame
 
i picked up this frame from the previous owner, which was a friend of Rogelio Arango. a great colombian CYclist. Ive seen the same exact frame on another forum except with, what i believe, are aluminum dropouts. This is a team bike from around the mid '80s, i state 87 on the title because thats when ROgelio Arango started racing for Western - Rossin Team, so i imagine and can only guess its from around that time. Im currently selling it and i do have a price range i got in mind. But you guys know best, and would like to ask what do you think this frame is worth?

all information would be greatly appreciated.

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SoreFeet 03-13-14 12:16 PM

Start high sell low. I don't know what I would ask for it. Is the paint job any good? Some of those mid 80's bikes had some pretty funky yet cool paint jobs. Some seemed to be really chippy and flaky.

gaucho777 03-13-14 12:17 PM

Maybe $100-150 at most I would think. I'm guessing that's less than you have in mind. It is a really nice, quality frame from a respected builder. However, the lack of matching fork is a big minus. So, too, the respray. The fact there is paint overspray on the dropout adjustment screws tells me this was likely not a professional respray. Any sort of gain from it being a pro frame is mitigated by the respray. Pros also ride their bikes harder than most. If it was a pro-level race frame, where's the number hanger? Date range of 87-88 seems correct.

himespau 03-13-14 12:28 PM

Pretty frame, but respray does hurt. Especially as paint job doesn't look particularly even.

Scooper 03-13-14 12:43 PM

I could be wrong, but it looks to me as if it has just been primered to prevent it from developing surface rust.

kumis 03-13-14 12:48 PM

Im thinking of sanding down the whole frame, so as to leave it blank for the buyer so he/she can paint it as they like. I also had the option on getting it painted as it was originally. I was going to do this, but the owner couldnt find the fork, so i decided to leave it as it was so as to leave it for a good restoration frame for the buyer and match it with the same paint as the fork. But really? $100-$150 at most? That really is well, WELL below what i had in mind. And i dint plan on adding that whole "pro ridden" bike frame added value, just a good fact i guess. I was planning on selling it for $500-$600 dollars, plus shipping and handling, which is $60. i am going to find out about that pain job. im pretty sure it wasnt for looks.

PS: i like scooper's idea.

himespau 03-13-14 01:06 PM

Complete rossin framesets with fork and original paint have recently sold for $250-500 on ebay with a couple of outliers (pursuit frame went for almost a grand). Without fork and lacking original paint, you'd have to expect to be at or below the low end of that.

howsteepisit 03-13-14 01:11 PM

Unless the market in Columbia is way stronger than the US, 100-150 seems about right. No fork, poor repaint, no tubing type info, and the stuff about it being maybe ridden by a locally famous rider is conjecture at best

Edit Also, as a buyer I would wonder what happened to the fork and given the repaint I would be more than a little suspicious of a crash damaged or abused bike.

kumis 03-13-14 01:17 PM

thats disappointing.

from my search on the internet, this is the only other one i can find almost identical to the one i have, except for the what i believe are aluminum bottom dropouts. NOS Rossin Professional - The Paceline Forum its also missing its fork, although it does have its original paint job, the comments seem to indicate that the selling price, $250, is a dead give away.

howsteepisit 03-13-14 01:24 PM

that bike is the original paint and the number tab indicative of a team bike, Also has never been built up, limiting the chance that there was any damage to the fork. Yours is just not that. Sorry, hope you did not pay too much.

Also What makes you think they are aluminum dropouts? Looks to be standard campy steel dropouts to me, especially on yours

kumis 03-13-14 01:40 PM

i dont know, i guess by the looks of it being chromed, the one on paceline i assumed.

and the tubing type, apart from not having the sticker, im pretty sure its Columbus, as its almost identical to the other one. And i can obtain valid information on the previous owner, which wasnt really local, he participated in a Tour de France in '85. There really isnt any damage to the frame, apart from the gross paint job. Either way, thanks for all the information, ill try and sell it as just to recuperate what i invested.

kumis 03-13-14 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howsteepisit (Post 16574832)
Columbia

its ColOmbia, the country

howsteepisit 03-13-14 01:50 PM

Sorry about the mis-spelling, did not intend to insult your country.

kumis 03-13-14 01:57 PM

haha, no not at all. no worries. thanks for all the help.

gaucho777 03-13-14 02:41 PM

Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news with my suggestion of $100-$150 price range. Maybe I shouldn't have said "at most" but that is my honest estimate. I think it will be nearly impossible to find a buyer for the frame only in the $550-$600 range. If you do an Ebay Advanced Search and take a look at the "Sold" listings for vintage used frames in the $500-$650 range, there are very few examples, and you will find only lightly used, high-end, collectable frames with original paint and fork.

kumis 03-13-14 08:44 PM

ive calculated on how much id have to sell it for, i think im going to give it a shot at $300-$350 plus shipping which is about $60 dollars from here. and i base that price on maybe the fact that it is a nice frame and i really havent seen it elsewhere. i dont know, i hope it goes for that. but hey, i learn from all this and wont make the same mistakes again.

rjhammett 03-14-14 11:50 PM

+1

I recently picked up 2 frames with forks (Pinarello and Tommaso) in excellent condition with original paint for well under $200 each on eBay. The Tommaso came with Shimano tricolor hs, bb and crankset.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 16575136)
Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news with my suggestion of $100-$150 price range.


KonAaron Snake 03-15-14 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 16575136)
Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news with my suggestion of $100-$150 price range. Maybe I shouldn't have said "at most" but that is my honest estimate. I think it will be nearly impossible to find a buyer for the frame only in the $550-$600 range. If you do an Ebay Advanced Search and take a look at the "Sold" listings for vintage used frames in the $500-$650 range, there are very few examples, and you will find only lightly used, high-end, collectable frames with original paint and fork.

I think if anything you're on the high side.

Rossin is a b-list builder.
No fork - big deal.
No paint.
Name association is worthless without paint IMO, in fact it might even hurt since it implies it was ridden heavily.

If I saw this for $75 at a swap I'd walk on by. Sorry OP, but I think you're going to be very disappointed on this one.

Six jours 03-15-14 12:51 AM

Have to agree with the prevailing opinion, for the most part. I don't agree that Rossin is a B-list marque - I think their frames were as good as any of the other mainstream Italian builders of the period - but a primered Italian race frame with a missing fork just isn't worth a whole lot on the open market. I'd think $200 would be a reasonable top-end expectation for the seller, and $100-$150 an average selling price. Even if you find some guy who's crazy for Rossins, he's still going to have to spend another thousand dollars or so to get the thing looking like it did on the showroom floor. Considering that the fellow could just as easily find another Rossin with original paint for six to eight hundred dollars...

<edit> There's no aluminum on that frame. The rear dropouts are standard Campy units in the short version, missing the knurled bits on the end of the screws and featuring some nasty aftermarket stamping which only serves to further reduce the value. Sorry to rain on your parade, but them's the facts.

<another edit> I took a quick look at Ebay and discovered several Rossins of the same vintage, but with good paint and original forks. The going price seems to be about $500. Also, I have been deeply involved with the sport for many decades, but without meaning to be disrespectful, I have no idea who Rogelio Arango is, so doubt that the name association will add any value to the frame. Now, if you can link the frame to Lucho Herrara or Fabio Parra...

Vonruden 03-15-14 03:00 AM

My honest opinion would be $100 tops.

KonAaron Snake 03-15-14 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Six jours (Post 16579359)
Have to agree with the prevailing opinion, for the most part. I don't agree that Rossin is a B-list marque - I think their frames were as good as any of the other mainstream Italian builders of the period - but a primered Italian race frame with a missing fork just isn't worth a whole lot on the open market. I'd think $200 would be a reasonable top-end expectation for the seller, and $100-$150 an average selling price. Even if you find some guy who's crazy for Rossins, he's still going to have to spend another thousand dollars or so to get the thing looking like it did on the showroom floor. Considering that the fellow could just as easily find another Rossin with original paint for six to eight hundred dollars...

<edit> There's no aluminum on that frame. The rear dropouts are standard Campy units in the short version, missing the knurled bits on the end of the screws and featuring some nasty aftermarket stamping which only serves to further reduce the value. Sorry to rain on your parade, but them's the facts.

<another edit> I took a quick look at Ebay and discovered several Rossins of the same vintage, but with good paint and original forks. The going price seems to be about $500. Also, I have been deeply involved with the sport for many decades, but without meaning to be disrespectful, I have no idea who Rogelio Arango is, so doubt that the name association will add any value to the frame. Now, if you can link the frame to Lucho Herrara or Fabio Parra...

I should have been more clear, I didn't mean b-list quality, I meant b-list value/branding. It doesn't have the selling value of Colnago/Cinelli/De Rosa.

i haven't owned one, I don't know where they fall as far as inherent quality.

bibliobob 03-15-14 06:34 AM

Life ain't fair, and brand cachet counts for a LOT when it comes to financial value. Second tier brands (in perceived value) need to be in prime sizes and in beautiful condition in order to reach maximum value. Unfortunately, lack of original fork and paint is a deal killer for most folks.

I bought a conditionally-challenged bike a few years ago, which ended up not fitting me. Due to the condition, I'll end up taking a bath if I ever try to sell it. Oh, well. Lessons of life. I've done well on most resales, but we all have to occasionally learn the hard way....

Best of luck! Why not build it up as a rider for yourself?

Six jours 03-15-14 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 16579534)
I should have been more clear, I didn't mean b-list quality, I meant b-list value/branding. It doesn't have the selling value of Colnago/Cinelli/De Rosa.

i haven't owned one, I don't know where they fall as far as inherent quality.

Ah, got you. I think are are right.

kumis 03-15-14 12:42 PM

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thanks again for everyones help. all this just gives me a better understaind in a market i wish to understand and by doing these type of things, i learn and have a better understanding in what im getting into. im going to post up on ebay, see how it goes. maybe i catch a break of luck. i will try and sell it for a reasonable price. as to not loose any money i invested. and i think thats about $200.

id like to show you guys a colnago i found in an old house down here, and im sure this is a bit nicer. well atleast it has its fork. too bad i cant obtain anymore pictures. for now :v

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howsteepisit 03-15-14 03:00 PM

What is that shim in the seat tube where the seatpost is inserted? If its what I think, trying to make a smaller seatpost secure thats gotta go, and hopefull the clamping is not damaged. I'm not anywhere near an expert on Colnogo, but have never seen the stamp on the left chainstay before, is it perhaps a Mexican Colnogo?

Looks to be Campy record brakes, thats a plus, there is certainly more value than the Rossin, but would need more to ascertain.


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