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Old 03-17-14, 08:30 AM   #1
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Japanese "Perfect Cycle" (Need help identifying & dating)

New barn find that I need to learn more about.

PERFECT CYLCE MARK II

I haven't been able to find much of anything about that brand. I was trying to date it based on the components, which are all Japanese, and the best I can do is guess its probably '75-'85. Pretty lame estimates.

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Dia-Compe Brakes.
SunTour parts.
Schwinn Pedals.
Silstar 165 Cranks.
Sakae is also on the crank bolt cover.
The frame has a "hand made" sticker.
And pretty sweet lugs all over.
Serial Number under the BB is: F1C31612

My bud thought it could be a good find. If it becomes worth it Im going to strip it down and rebuild the frame/fork into a custom fixed gear. I just want to know what I have, and what its worth (if anything).

thanks all.
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Old 03-18-14, 03:36 AM   #2
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No expert here and no prior knowledge of Perfect Cycle but....

....no one else has responded after 100 views, so here are my observations based on your photos/text.

Entry level "boom bike" built sometime in the years you listed to take advantage of a rise in popularity of cycling during that period. Similiar bikes were marketed under names like "American Flyer" (made in Japan no less)

Western Auto, tire stores, hardware stores, department stores and more were all trying to cash in on the "craze." One local auto dealer at the time was giving away a similiar quality bike with every purchase.

While not a junker, it doesn't rate high on the quality scale.....it's what I call a user. Components are mundane and bike is probably quite heavy. If you like it and it fits, by all means make your modifications or do with you want with it. I doubt you will do anything to hurt it's value.

In my area you would be very fortunate to get $40 for it as it sits, possibly a little more if torn down and serviced with new tires.

Repeating, my observations from your photos/text. Anyone reading this feel free to correct as I may be missing the buy of the century (doubt it though)
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Old 03-18-14, 04:55 AM   #3
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Yup. Steel rims, bolt on hubs, steel chainrings, steel handlebars - this bike wouild make a good fixed gear conversion. Is the rear dropout spacing 120mm? That'd be even better. Do you have a 700c wheelset to pop in? That'd tell you whether the brake caliper reach will work for a track wheelset. Just remember that this won't be cheap. You'll need crankset and bottom bracket, chain, fixed cog, a wheelset, a better saddle, and will have to do something with the brake levers. How much are you willing to spend to do this?
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Old 03-18-14, 08:19 AM   #4
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Thanks All.

Thanks okane.
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by all means make your modifications or do with you want with itJust what I needed to know.
I figure the craftsmanship/quality back then for a bike like that is better than most today. Plus the lugs are beautiful, so I may make it a project. I'll probably strip and have it powder coated. It is a little heavier than other frames but only by about a pound. Weight is not really an issue for me the way I ride.

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Just remember that this won't be cheap.
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Converting to FG will cost about the same as you can buy a new FG on the web for.
Phil_gretz & wrk101 I know it will cost something but I am at the point that I need to replace a lot of parts on my current ride and I can borrow some, so it wont be too bad. Plus I'll end up with a nice custom build which is fun.

Great info from everyone. I really appreciate it. Once it's done i'll share the pics - but it could take a bit.

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This one is likely a pretty good bike with some basic fix up as a every day bike or commuter as is with gears no reason to convert to spend $100-150 for a decent SS/FG concversion. When you could just fix it up with gears for a third that price maybe less.
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I like the headbadge.
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I like the headbadge.
For a truely worth SS/FG conversion a cool original headbadge is must.
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Looks like it could be a nice single speed bike. I would start with a new single speed rear wheel(around $30), remove the derailleurs, levers, and cables. Shorten the chain and ride it to see if you like it. Also remove the turkey levers.
If you like the way it rides, get a matching front wheel(around $20) next.
Then save to replace the drive including a new bottom bracket, crankset, and chain. You might have to replace the freewheel to get the chain inchs or gear ratio you want.

I would keep the brakes and pedals as they are decent. maybe change the handlebars to something more single speed with a requisite change of brake levers if needed.
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As a final comment, I wouldn't powder coat this frame. I'd strip it completely, and give it an oxalic acid bath, a neutralizing wash, and then wax and touch up. The silver will be trivial to closely match. The bike looks okay right now, and the result of treating the frame will be fine, and you'll save yourself some $. I've powdercoated frames before, and the result is never as interesting as the original paint/patina. Just my thoughts...
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A clear win on the "unique" factor, and the name is epic. I agree with the idea of keeping the original paint. It's not flashy, but it's cool as hell.
Looking forward to seeing the finished project.
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ride it to see if you like it.
I'm with you - that was exactly my plan. I need a bunch of new parts on my other bike anyways, so if I like the ride, this one will get the new stuff. wheels/crank/BB/cog/brake/headset/stem/bars/seat/... Im being smart about it, but I want to be nice. I've been riding my other components into the ground so I can afford to get nicer stuff for either a rebuild of my existing bike, or a build of a new bike.

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For a truely worth SS/FG conversion a cool original headbadge is must.
The head badge will def make it back on the final product for sure. It's "Perfect"!

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I wouldn't powder coat this frame. I'd strip it completely, and give it an oxalic acid bath, a neutralizing wash, and then wax and touch up. The silver will be trivial to closely match. The bike looks okay right now, and the result of treating the frame will be fine, and you'll save yourself some $.
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A clear win on the "unique" factor, and the name is epic. I agree with the idea of keeping the original paint. It's not flashy, but it's cool as hell. Looking forward to seeing the finished project.
I hear you guys, and really appreciate the love for the bike and info on keeping the paint. But, I have a friend who can hook me up with powder coat, which is basically my only reason for doing it (at least half off). Plus I'm a particular guy and have my mind set on a blacked out ride. Flat-black frame and all gloss-black components. It'll be a beaut.

As long as she rides right, I'll do it, and post before/after soon as I can.

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