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    Vintage frame, any ideas on identification

    Hi, I have been tasked with finding out some information on a friend's vintage bike that has been hanging in the garage for many years since her partner passed away. It has been powder coated white so there are no badges or anything. The brakes are Mafac and the bottom bracket is Bayliss Wiley and Campagnolo hubs. It's five speed and has a Milremo saddle. I've had a look around at the lugwork patterns and have found ones that look the same on a Mal Rees frame and also on a Raphael Geminiani.

    Below are some pics, hopefully someone may have an idea what it could be:








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    I do recognize Nervex lugs and wrap around seat stays. I would guess it's built buy some smaller British framebuilder. I assume tubing is Reynolds, 501 most likely.

    What would help the most is some pictures of bottom bracket, brake bridge, wrap around seat stays and dropouts.

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    Thank you RacerNo.7, Mal Rees was a small British frame builder, he was also very local to us which got me thinking it might be one of his. I'll try and get some better pics over the weekend of the other bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troop250 View Post
    Thank you RacerNo.7, Mal Rees was a small British frame builder, he was also very local to us which got me thinking it might be one of his. I'll try and get some better pics over the weekend of the other bits.
    Yes, British.
    Nervex Pro lugs were used a lot and considered top tier by many, this bike includes a Nervex Bottom bracket shell and fork crown.
    My guess from the 60's. Maybe before, but not much earlier.
    The top tube cable routing, the finishing of the seat stays and the termination of the stays and blades at the dropouts are probably the best help to identify it. This is one for Norris Lockley I think. He used to participate in the ClassicRendezvous mailing list, an email should come up if you do a bit of searching on bikelist.org. (only archives now and not intuitive to work)

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    a third vote for the u.k. in the 1960's. the one thing that is not british looking is the seat binder collar. this is made in italy, probably by agrati. one does not often see this type of seat binder arrangement on a british frame.

    she is quite an interesting cycle. thank you for posting.

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    Thanks everyone, some interesting details for me to check out here!

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    one detail you may wish to check is the stem to bar fit. note that bar is externally sleeved which tends to imply a non-french origin while the french pivo stem may have a 25.0 mm clamp size. suggest measuring diameter of bar where it is clamped to make sure it is made to fit with clamp of stem.

    iirc pivo made their 22.2 mm stems with a 25.4 mm clamp size in which case all will be copacetic. a moment to measure is an excellent investment against to possibility of a stem or bar failure...
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    Well based on the older style Nervex Pro lugs it was built before the mid 60's The relatively high end 5speed setup would tend to indicate this bike was a mid 50's to early 60's club racer. As others have said it looks to be of British small or lesser origin.

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    Thanks Zukahn1 I won't be able to get there to take more pics until latter part of this week, bear with me and I'll get some better pics of the bits mentioned above and measure the stem.

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    Hi Sorry for the delay, I've only just managed to get there and take some more (much better) photos:


























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    WOW!

    thanks very much for these additional pictures Troop250. she is indeed a very finely done artisanal frame. had not realised from first group of pictures that rear hub is d/s. gotta luv that seat binder arrangement. could well be an identifier...

    please keep thread going as you commence lavandation.

    look forward to the next installment.

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    Very cool. To me this looks English and early 60's, or maybe late 50's.
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    Thank you! My friend, who owns the bike, is enjoying retirement and has kept the bike for a decade since her partner passed away but she realises that it should be ridden and back on the road now. Where to start on a value – does anyone have any suggestions on how to value it please?

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    I would say at least $250-300 even in current rough condition the frame and vintage Campy flips flop hubs and frame should be worth that much or more to the right buyer.

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    Thank you Zukahn1, it would be great to see it restored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerNo.7 View Post
    I do recognize Nervex lugs and wrap around seat stays. I would guess it's built buy some smaller British framebuilder. I assume tubing is Reynolds, 501 most likely.

    What would help the most is some pictures of bottom bracket, brake bridge, wrap around seat stays and dropouts.
    I thought Reynolds 501 tubesets did not come out till about right before the mid 80's for use by manufacturers for mid level bikes??
    Did you mean "531" instead??

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    I would think this bike would have 531 medium strait guage tubing based on age and lugs.

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    hello Troop250,

    once you have the machine to hand you can measure the pillar; it may even be marked.

    27.2mm = db, 26.4mm = pg

    i'm thinking the work and materials too fine for pg. time will tell...

    looking forward to the next reportage.

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