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07-14-14, 10:22 AM
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I agree with what others have already said. There are some discrepancies re: the period correct nature of the bikes. This doesn't affect the bikes values as riders but does affect the value as collectables. I think you have undervalued them in your $500 estimate. I don't know what your local market is like but I think $1000 is closer to what you should get for them both.
What's up with the yellow frame in the last series of photos?
What's up with the yellow frame in the last series of photos?
07-14-14, 12:38 PM
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What are the serial numbers of the red mens' bike and the green ladies' bike?
The numbers should be stamped into the left (non-drive side) rear dropout on both bikes.
The numbers should be stamped into the left (non-drive side) rear dropout on both bikes.
07-14-14, 01:17 PM
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The rear derailleurs are Campagnolo but are the actual freewheels? If so those alone are worth a few hundred a piece.
What size is that yellow frame?
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If the chrome on the yellow frame set can be brought back it might be worth up to 70% of what the entire red bike is worth.
Ladies Paramounts around here end up being "parts bikes" for the components.
Little demand.
Ladies Paramounts around here end up being "parts bikes" for the components.
Little demand.
07-14-14, 03:06 PM
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I agree with what others have already said. There are some discrepancies re: the period correct nature of the bikes. This doesn't affect the bikes values as riders but does affect the value as collectables. I think you have undervalued them in your $500 estimate. I don't know what your local market is like but I think $1000 is closer to what you should get for them both.
What's up with the yellow frame in the last series of photos?
What's up with the yellow frame in the last series of photos?
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07-14-14, 03:43 PM
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I see no Campagnolo freewheels nor Campagnolo big rings between the two. BG, the yellow frame has potential. You are a dangerous woman.
07-15-14, 09:13 AM
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Both rear gear sets hubs and freewheel are Campy. Campy stamped on each gear. Mens big gear set is Campy, Womens is Suntour.
Serial Numbers
Womans D74219
Mens C935
Chrome on the yellow fork is shot. As it was a parts bike, I didn't take the effort to preserve.
So $500-700 for the pair would be a fair price (as is)? They both need tires/tubes and a wipe down. I'd want the buyer to know it's a good deal based on what these bikes are and the components on each. The pictures show pretty much everything I think is worth of showing.
I was checking Ebay and Campy parts alone are selling at a premium (most being n pretty poor condition), these are near new condition. So from a parts only perspective the buyer would be getting a fair deal also. No?
Now that they are out of storage and semi wiped down, I'm not going re-store them again. Will go in the local paper and bike shop bulletin boards.
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Womans D74219
Mens C935
Chrome on the yellow fork is shot. As it was a parts bike, I didn't take the effort to preserve.
So $500-700 for the pair would be a fair price (as is)? They both need tires/tubes and a wipe down. I'd want the buyer to know it's a good deal based on what these bikes are and the components on each. The pictures show pretty much everything I think is worth of showing.
I was checking Ebay and Campy parts alone are selling at a premium (most being n pretty poor condition), these are near new condition. So from a parts only perspective the buyer would be getting a fair deal also. No?
Now that they are out of storage and semi wiped down, I'm not going re-store them again. Will go in the local paper and bike shop bulletin boards.
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07-15-14, 09:38 AM
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Pix of the yellow frame.
I didn't realize I had a seocnd page to the thread so I posted then edited the previous post with some answers to questions asked in the new posts.
Wish I had known the Yellow bike was going to be valuable. I'd have taken better care of the frame. I have the Campy brake set for that bike (since it did not fit the woman's bike I was building). I really need to go though my parts box. I think I have another nearly NIB Campy brake set in addition to the one that came off the Yellow bike plus misc other Campy parts (crank and such). I was really a big Campagnolo guy when I was riding . I had a limited edition Cannondale Mountain Bike that came with a Full Campagnolo Record off road group. Was Silver with Blue Campy logo on the seat tube. Beautiful but a rough rider with the aluminum frame. Was like new and sold it to a neighbor for $300. Again, no market for bikes down here.
I didn't realize I had a seocnd page to the thread so I posted then edited the previous post with some answers to questions asked in the new posts.
Wish I had known the Yellow bike was going to be valuable. I'd have taken better care of the frame. I have the Campy brake set for that bike (since it did not fit the woman's bike I was building). I really need to go though my parts box. I think I have another nearly NIB Campy brake set in addition to the one that came off the Yellow bike plus misc other Campy parts (crank and such). I was really a big Campagnolo guy when I was riding . I had a limited edition Cannondale Mountain Bike that came with a Full Campagnolo Record off road group. Was Silver with Blue Campy logo on the seat tube. Beautiful but a rough rider with the aluminum frame. Was like new and sold it to a neighbor for $300. Again, no market for bikes down here.
07-15-14, 10:34 AM
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What size is the yellow frame seat tube C to C?
07-15-14, 11:14 AM
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Both rear gear sets hubs and freewheel are Campy. Campy stamped on each gear. Mens big gear set is Campy, Womens is Suntour.
Serial Numbers
Womans D74219
Mens C935
Chrome on the yellow fork is shot. As it was a parts bike, I didn't take the effort to preserve.
So $500-700 for the pair would be a fair price (as is)? They both need tires/tubes and a wipe down. I'd want the buyer to know it's a good deal based on what these bikes are and the components on each. The pictures show pretty much everything I think is worth of showing.
I was checking Ebay and Campy parts alone are selling at a premium (most being n pretty poor condition), these are near new condition. So from a parts only perspective the buyer would be getting a fair deal also. No?
Now that they are out of storage and semi wiped down, I'm not going re-store them again. Will go in the local paper and bike shop bulletin boards.
Serial Numbers
Womans D74219
Mens C935
Chrome on the yellow fork is shot. As it was a parts bike, I didn't take the effort to preserve.
So $500-700 for the pair would be a fair price (as is)? They both need tires/tubes and a wipe down. I'd want the buyer to know it's a good deal based on what these bikes are and the components on each. The pictures show pretty much everything I think is worth of showing.
I was checking Ebay and Campy parts alone are selling at a premium (most being n pretty poor condition), these are near new condition. So from a parts only perspective the buyer would be getting a fair deal also. No?
Now that they are out of storage and semi wiped down, I'm not going re-store them again. Will go in the local paper and bike shop bulletin boards.
It is on a Campagnolo hub and has Campagnolo derailleurs, but not a Campagnolo freewheel.
The Men's bike I do not think is Campagnolo freewheel equipped either, Just looks wrong, no gold ring at the end, cogs would be silver in color and aluminum.
07-15-14, 11:18 AM
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Pix of the yellow frame.
I didn't realize I had a seocnd page to the thread so I posted then edited the previous post with some answers to questions asked in the new posts.
Wish I had known the Yellow bike was going to be valuable. I'd have taken better care of the frame. I have the Campy brake set for that bike (since it did not fit the woman's bike I was building). I really need to go though my parts box. I think I have another nearly NIB Campy brake set in addition to the one that came off the Yellow bike plus misc other Campy parts (crank and such). I was really a big Campagnolo guy when I was riding . I had a limited edition Cannondale Mountain Bike that came with a Full Campagnolo Record off road group. Was Silver with Blue Campy logo on the seat tube. Beautiful but a rough rider with the aluminum frame. Was like new and sold it to a neighbor for $300. Again, no market for bikes down here.
I didn't realize I had a seocnd page to the thread so I posted then edited the previous post with some answers to questions asked in the new posts.
Wish I had known the Yellow bike was going to be valuable. I'd have taken better care of the frame. I have the Campy brake set for that bike (since it did not fit the woman's bike I was building). I really need to go though my parts box. I think I have another nearly NIB Campy brake set in addition to the one that came off the Yellow bike plus misc other Campy parts (crank and such). I was really a big Campagnolo guy when I was riding . I had a limited edition Cannondale Mountain Bike that came with a Full Campagnolo Record off road group. Was Silver with Blue Campy logo on the seat tube. Beautiful but a rough rider with the aluminum frame. Was like new and sold it to a neighbor for $300. Again, no market for bikes down here.
07-15-14, 11:51 AM
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I would wait to list them for sale until we hear more from Scooper. He knows tons about all things Schwinn. Beautiful bikes, by the way. I've been reading this thread with interest, but leaving the observations and commentary to those more knowledgable than myself (which is just about everyone).
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07-15-14, 12:00 PM
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Yes, plus an error on my part. Was going off memory and swore the rear cogs had Campy stamped on each I could not find any markings on either bike (still think the cogs on mens may be Campy, but the garage is dark and my eye sight isn't what it once was).
You are correct. As my memory is jogged, the cogs were separate from the freewheels could be swapped out but they sit on any freewheel. (Like I said it's been a long time since taking bikes and over 20 years since I played around assembling and disassembling.) I even have a cog puller in my tool kit. So much for "senior memory". LOL
Womens bike is MF Z012 Shimano Only cog marks are <20> <24> and so on.
Mens is Suntour AL
As mentioned Mens front rings are marked Campagnolo Woman's are Sun tour. I'll have to check parts box to see if I have Campy rings laying around. Guessing I would have swapped them on the green bike if I did..
You are correct. As my memory is jogged, the cogs were separate from the freewheels could be swapped out but they sit on any freewheel. (Like I said it's been a long time since taking bikes and over 20 years since I played around assembling and disassembling.) I even have a cog puller in my tool kit. So much for "senior memory". LOL
Womens bike is MF Z012 Shimano Only cog marks are <20> <24> and so on.
Mens is Suntour AL
As mentioned Mens front rings are marked Campagnolo Woman's are Sun tour. I'll have to check parts box to see if I have Campy rings laying around. Guessing I would have swapped them on the green bike if I did..
07-15-14, 03:34 PM
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C935 is the 35th Paramount scheduled for production in March, 1969. The bike is almost certainly a P13-9 Deluxe Paramount Road Racer.
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1969 Men's P13-9
07-15-14, 04:34 PM
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Thanks Scooper, for posting these pages from the old Catalogs. I remember the P13 model as the one I had. Thought that model came with Campy side pulls as an option, apparently not. At least I got the years right. LOL
Pix of some campy parts I have to follow. interested in any ideas on what they are worth.
Original color of womans was silver mist. The man's was a repaint to a goldish color when I bought it, if I remember correctly. So no clue of original paint on that one
Pix of some campy parts I have to follow. interested in any ideas on what they are worth.
Original color of womans was silver mist. The man's was a repaint to a goldish color when I bought it, if I remember correctly. So no clue of original paint on that one
07-15-14, 06:15 PM
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As far as value is concerned, I think the numbers repechage and Kactus offered are probably good estimates considering the non-original parts. I'd guess around $700 or so for the P13 and maybe $300 for the P60. Generally, the brief flirtation Schwinn had with Prugnat lugs in the late sixties didn't go over very well with the Paramount faithful, so Schwinn went back to the Nervex Professionals from '71 until Chicago Paramount production ceased in '79. In 1981, Paramount production moved to Waterford, WI, and Schwinn switched to Henry James investment cast lugs and Cinelli BB shells.
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07-15-14, 09:39 PM
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That yellow frame is my size? What are you doing with that one?
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07-15-14, 09:55 PM
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Well If I knew the thread held Paramount`s ................ LOL
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No specific plan for anything except I'd like to sell the bikes and parts I have. As I mentioned, I did not post to solicit buyers, as I know (from being a moderator of a website) it's really un-classy for guys to drive-by sell stuff on any website forum. Many are scammers and without a reputation built up after some months of posting, a buyer risks getting ripped off. Was mainly looking for some pricing guidance (and thanks to those members that responded), I have some idea of the value of the bikes.
No clue of the Yellow frame and I will post some pictures of the loose Campy parts I have. I believe I have a full Campy brake set, that maybe worth something. I have no clue as to age, but guessing 70's ear. I picked up Extra NIB Campy Calipers and have a NIB Crank set. No clue on value. So I will post pix and maybe ask for the kindness of some pricing and or value advice.
Was traveling and just got back.
No clue of the Yellow frame and I will post some pictures of the loose Campy parts I have. I believe I have a full Campy brake set, that maybe worth something. I have no clue as to age, but guessing 70's ear. I picked up Extra NIB Campy Calipers and have a NIB Crank set. No clue on value. So I will post pix and maybe ask for the kindness of some pricing and or value advice.
Was traveling and just got back.
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Your having the Campy components in the original boxes ups the value considerably. You probably already knew that---just wanted to make sure.
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NIB? Post those suckers on eBay and watch the money roll in.
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