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Old 07-19-14, 03:26 PM   #1
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What's the value on a bare frame Le Jeune??

There's one hanging on a hook at one of the LBS's. It's red w white graphics, my size, and very clean. The owner works at the shop and wants $500, which I think is pretty excessive for a bare 531 frame that's not one of the grail type bikes. Masi, Colnago, Rossin, Cinelli, etc. 531 on both the frame and fork, and Campy drops. He said he would trade for a Panasonic DX6000. He also says the frame has sentimental value because his friends' dad raced it back when it was new. I call BS on the sentimental junk unless it was his dad who owned it. This kid wasn't born until the mid to late 80's, and it's a 70's frame.,,,,BD

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What,s up with the Panasonic ?
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I dunno. I don't have one, ,,,,BD
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What does it look like? I understand they are nice frames but I don't think a tired old pre raced Le Jeune is worth $500
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He also says the frame has sentimental value because his friends' dad raced it back when it was new.
It may have sentimental value for his friend but it's just another old French frame from an average maker of dubious condition and the usual hassle of French parts. Someone rode every old bike back when unless it's still NOS in the shipping carton, does that Add to value? Pass on simulated sentimental BS alone.

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It may have sentimental value for his friend but it's just another old French frame from an average maker of dubious condition and the usual hassle of French parts. Someone rode every old bike back when unless it's still NOS in the shipping carton, does that Add to value? Pass on simulated BS alone.

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At $500, he will be able to keep and reminisce for quite a long time I'd say. Probably telling his partner that he's trying to sell it but the market is down.
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Considering it is often hard to get $600 for a complete top of the line Lejeune, then $500 for a frame is definitely overpriced. Simplex ends are a minus over the Campagnolo ends. Just out of curiosity, it the head tube blue?
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I don't think it was blue. Campy drops, 531 triangles on the fork. The main 531 label was at the top of the seat tube, not at the top of the downtube by the shifters. Graphic were solid white on bright solid red paint. No chrome socks on frame or fork. Top tube guides were two piece like Raleigh but on the lower left of the top tube.,,,,BD
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The only Panasonic bikes on my radar were made for Schwinn unfortunately.,,,,BD
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It looks very much like this, except add 531 fork decals.,,,,BD


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If it is full 531 as it seems from your description and has leaf shaped semi-wrapped seat stay caps, then the bike was probably one of those made by Bernard Carre for Lejeune and is easily worth the $500. The French threads are not a problem and parts are available NOS, aftermarket and through EBay.
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Looking on ebay I can find only one sold 531 Lejune, sold for 68 BP, paint was beat to crap.
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With LeJeune, "very much like" does not help fully.
CV-6 has a few, I do too.
Red with white "block" graphics helps date it a bit, the color of the outline of the font helps a bit more.
Gold outlining came before black.
The Campagnolo dropouts help but some of the subtle frame construction details are needed.
Worth $500? It would be nice. I have one that I would be willing to sell for that, even 20% less.
My take on these bikes is they are overlooked, ride very well and have solid construction, not artful but they have a distinct aesthetic.
The French diameters and threadings are necessary to contend with but not a folly.
One of the few 70's French bikes that came with a full Campagnolo model.
Now, if it is $500. for the frame set with headset, bottom bracket and seatpost in very good condition or better...
The cost to assemble a frame to that level can get near there.
CV-6 is correct that a complete bike sells for a discount. The same goes for many C&V bikes.

One thing to test is the seat post fixing bolt, It threads into the seat liug ear, and can get damaged. Fixable, a metric fastener can be obtained and does require a reduction of the head diameter, and even if the lug ear threads are stripped a helicoil can be used to repair. A negotiating point.
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Looking on ebay I can find only one sold 531 Lejune, sold for 68 BP, paint was beat to crap.
They don't come up that often and drop off the search archives as a result.
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I have a spread sheet of Lejeune sales since 2007. I also save all the relevant eBay sales. The best price I saw for a frame that might be in similar condition (no pics of the OP's) went for $270. As repechage pointed out, Lejeune does not come up all that often and IMO is an undervalued marque. (Disclaimer: I do own eight of various ilk). That said, it is like every other classic bike. Right price at the right time.

FWIW, a rather nice Carré frame which could be taken for a Lejeune did not garner any bids at $200 just today. My size, but I can't buy them all.
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I have a spread sheet of Lejeune sales since 2007. I also save all the relevant eBay sales. The best price I saw for a frame that might be in similar condition (no pics of the OP's) went for $270. As repechage pointed out, Lejeune does not come up all that often and IMO is an undervalued marque. (Disclaimer: I do own eight of various ilk). That said, it is like every other classic bike. Right price at the right time.

FWIW, a rather nice Carré frame which could be taken for a Lejeune did not garner any bids at $200 just today. My size, but I can't buy them all.
CV-6, The "Bob Hovey" of LeJeune. I have not been that diligent in recording transaction prices. The report is worse than what came to mind. That is too bad as they are faithful bikes to ride.

Most of the LeJeunes of any decent origin had under the top tube three segment cable guides.
The lack of Chrome on the seat stays, and block lettering with opaque red paint points to middle '74+.
Compared to offerings from Italy of the period and especially later they had slightly longer top tubes than other brands for a given size.
At least the middle sized frames I have encountered.

There are other small French makes that get overlooked, great for finding a gem on the cheap, but not good as an investment.
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re: lack of chrome on stays. Chrome socks were an extra cost option for any of the 531 frames pretty much throughout the 70s. I used to think only the Simplex end frames got the chrome until I learned otherwise. Always learning. The block lettering appears earlier than 74. A catalog dated 72 shows it yet most of the Lejeunes I have seen of that era have the rather garish "Champ du Monde" markings. Dating on these is a crap shoot anyway. It does seem to be that the fork rake got to be less later but again no cut and dried.

I was not aware the gold outline on the block lettering predated black. Nice tidbit of info there. I had wondered if there was any logic to it. Probably not either way. LOL.

Bob Hovey? Not by a long shot. I am too lazy to do a web site.
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re: lack of chrome on stays. Chrome socks were an extra cost option for any of the 531 frames pretty much throughout the 70s. I used to think only the Simplex end frames got the chrome until I learned otherwise. Always learning. The block lettering appears earlier than 74. A catalog dated 72 shows it yet most of the Lejeunes I have seen of that era have the rather garish "Champ du Monde" markings. Dating on these is a crap shoot anyway. It does seem to be that the fork rake got to be less later but again no cut and dried.

I was not aware the gold outline on the block lettering predated black. Nice tidbit of info there. I had wondered if there was any logic to it. Probably not either way. LOL.

Bob Hovey? Not by a long shot. I am too lazy to do a web site.
Summer of 1972, I looked longingly at the LeJeune CdM, full Campagnolo, chrome stays and half forks with gold outlined block lettering, Brooks pro saddle and Cinelli bar and stem... $450. came with a red LeJeune jersey and cap too. I was $125 shy of that so bought something else.
Two years later I got one though.
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LOL. Fall of 72 I bought my Lejeune Pro used from a local racer for $200. Simplex Criterium, chrome socks and the "CdM" markings I referenced. The Mafacs and the Simplex disappeared rather quickly. The engine never lived up to the promise of the bike. Pic below is ca 1974. Apologies to Bikedued for hijacking his thread.

Lejeune Pro ca 1974 by CV6Enterprises, on Flickr
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My first bike had Mafac brakes. There was that lure of Campagnolo though... $59. as set, soon became $69. I was fortunate to get a full Campagnolo bike when I got the LeJeune. I had arrived. Just like the pros as seen in the pages of International Cycle Sport.

I was all set for a year, then Masi Lust.

BD needs to negotiate strategically then he too will have the LeJeune smile.
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The vintage market is fickle who knows? I would say 200-300 would be fair if it's perfect!
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The vintage market is fickle who knows? I would say 200-300 would be fair if it's perfect!
That's what I offered and was turned down flat. I thought it was more than fair.,,,,BD
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That's what I offered and was turned down flat. I thought it was more than fair.,,,,BD
At the price the fellow was hoping for, it will be there next year and the year after unless he takes less from some one else along the way.
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