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Since new success. Colnago

Old 08-10-14, 11:33 AM
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Since new success. Colnago

Hey guys I was wondering if some of you could help me out with this bike I might purchase.
The guy is willing to sell his Colnago with slx tubing and full Sachs new success part group for 1000$
What is the group comparable too and is this worth it? Thanks
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COLNAGO road bike
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I would say New Success ranks between 105 and 600. I believe Sachs had a license agreement with CampI to use their Ergo design but the internal parts were different and was compatible with shipman spacing a rear derailleurs.

I think if that was near me I would have a hard time turning it at 1,000 but 800-900 would be better.
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It's worth 1k to me but then I like Colnago's and Sachs and together makes it even better.
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris
It's worth 1k to me but then I like Colnago's and Sachs and together makes it even better.
I wouldn't sell it for less than $1,000.

SLX Spiral Conic tubeset!

A little gimmicky maybe, but they ride quite well.

Check out the downtube.
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Originally Posted by stewpig
Hey guys I was wondering if some of you could help me out with this bike I might purchase.
The guy is willing to sell his Colnago with slx tubing and full Sachs new success part group for 1000$
What is the group comparable too and is this worth it? Thanks
Sachs New Success dates from the 90s. It marries Sachs derailleurs, rebadged Modolo brakes and Campagnolo Ergopower shifters. I have 2 sets of this on bikes.

The single-pivot brakes are nothing special, any modern dual-pivot brake will be superior. The derailleurs are decently made. The shifters are made by Campagnolo, the only difference from their stock shifters being the hoods, which were labelled "Sachs".

There is a lot of nonsense on the web regarding the shifters are "Shimano derailleur compatible", or "Shimano cog spacing compatible", but this is not true. I have used the Sachs derailleurs with stock Campy Ergo levers, and they work perfectly. I have used the Sachs shifters with Campy derailleurs, with the same result. BTW: Campagnolo and Shimano 8-speed cog spacing is close enough so that this is not an issue.

There were 2 versions of the Sachs levers. The ones on the Colnagno are Chorus levers. They also sold a cheaper version based on Veloce levers.

BTW: Campagnolo has never made, nor will it ever make STI (Shimano Total Integration) shifters.
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Thanks for all the info. I really appreciate it. I'm trying to learn more and more about bikes. So do you think the Colnago is a good deal? The issue I have is I have a columbus cromor bike with full campy veloce and will I really feel a difference in performance. Or any difference worth the cost. Thanks again
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Originally Posted by stewpig
Thanks for all the info. I really appreciate it. I'm trying to learn more and more about bikes. So do you think the Colnago is a good deal? The issue I have is I have a columbus cromor bike with full campy veloce and will I really feel a difference in performance. Or any difference worth the cost. Thanks again
It's a fine deal but the issue is it's like buying an old Alfa Romeo with early fuel injection for 2/3rds the price of a new car. To the right person this is a fine trade off but to most it's not the case. You have all the issues you have with any old bike but the issues will be more expensive and parts harder to obtain. If the reach is wrong that work of art holding the bars will be a PITA to find in your size and won't be cheap. The bottom bracket is a 102 Italian thread which means your not going to find a nice $20 Bottom Bracket you're going to be in the neighborhood of $80 and if you buy new you are going to have to wait. If one of the shifters goes out it'll need to be sent somewhere to be repaired unless you're handy. (but Shimano can't be repaired) In the end if $1000 is the max for your budget or you're extending it a bit I wouldn't get it. Will you feel the difference between this bike and your old one the answer is yes most likely but it'll be geo more than the steel. It's a nice bike and a bucket bike to some but only you can decide if the trade off is worth it and since you're not already showing us your new Colnago it's probably not.
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One more thing. Do some research on the stem included with the bike. For some reason, in the back of my head, I seem to remember a problem and subsequent safety recall on these.

And as far as the worth of the bike - if you intend on commuting or utility biking, a new $1,000 bike from bikesdirect.com will be lighter, stronger, more corrosion resistent and offer better shifting and braking. But if you have some attachment to vintage Italian steel, then the value is up to you.
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I have Sachs New Success brifters and RD's on all three of my bikes, and would say they are quite comparable to the Campagnolo Chorus on my wife's bike (all similar late 90's vintage), as Dave Mayer pointed out previously. The RD's hold up VERY well - I have yet to wear one out, and the brifters are similar. The only part that is unique on the brifters compared to Campy (AFAIK) is the toothed shift ring, which doesn't typically wear out. The g-springs, spring carrier and other wear items are identical to Campy, so these are just as rebuildable. I've rebuilt my oldest set (20 years old) once on each side, which I found to be straight forward with the right manual. and they are also the nicest shifting of the bunch for some reason. Branford Bikes will do the rebuild for you, but most of the parts and instructions are readily available, except for the spring carriers.

BTW, they work fine with any dual pivot calipers. I prefer Shimano (or Tektro) so that there are two QR for each wheel to better clear my preferred fatter tires. The spring on my wife's rear Campy Chorus caliper broke mid-tour, and we used a Tektro DP caliper for the balance of the trip with no issues.

The RD's have a floating upper pulley like Shimano, so they tend to be easier to adjust. I use them all (and the Campy Chorus) with Shimano 8-speed loose cog cassettes, and all but that oldest set shift a bit better with thicker 7-spd spacers between the cogs, but they've all been acceptable with the thinner 8-spd spacers, too.

So if it was me, I'd be thrilled with the components, and if the frame fits then it looks like a good one. My SLX-tubed Marinoni is noticeably different and better IMHO in feel compared to my other bikes. Only you can decide if the price is right for you.
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
The only part that is unique on the brifters compared to Campy (AFAIK) is the toothed shift ring, which doesn't typically wear out. The g-springs, spring carrier and other wear items are identical to Campy, The RD's have a floating upper pulley like Shimano, so they tend to be easier to adjust. I use them all (and the Campy Chorus) with Shimano 8-speed loose cog cassettes, and all but that oldest set shift a bit better with thicker 7-spd spacers between the cogs, but they've all been acceptable with the thinner 8-spd spacers, too....

So if it was me, I'd be thrilled with the components, and if the frame fits then it looks like a good one. My SLX-tubed Marinoni is noticeably different and better IMHO in feel compared to my other bikes. Only you can decide if the price is right for you.
Right on. The 'Sachs' Ergopower shifters are nice kit, and should last a long time.

However, my experimentation with different shifter/derailleur combos, and digging around in the shifters, is that the indexing ring in the Sachs levers, which controls the amount of cable pull, is pure Campagnolo. I don't believe that there ever was a custom Sachs ring. My two sets of Sachs levers (I have both the cheap and expensive models) pull the exact same amount of cable as my many sets of Campy 8-speed Ergopower levers.

I think that Sachs New Success rear derailleurs were designed to work with Campagnolo 8-speed shifters and cog spacing (5.0mm cog center to center).

So the 'Sachs' levers and derailleur will work perfectly with Campagnolo 7 or 8-speed rear ends. They should work reasonably well with Shimano 8-speed cassettes (4.8mm cog spacing). If the indexing is fussy, you are correct in recommending installing the slightly fatter 7-speed spacers. This way you can run Shimano cassette hubs and cogs.
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Thanks, for that info, Dave. The common indexing ring is good to know about, and opens my door to more possibilities down the road to keep these Ergos going. Sometime I might have to try swapping RDs between my wife's bike and one of mine.

Have you ever tried putting a floating upper pulley in a Campagnolo RD? (Apologies if this is a thread hijack question.)
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That bike has been listed on and off for months now, I bet he'd take $900, especially since it doesn't have a saddle. At the very least, you should take the bike for a spin to see if you like it and that it fits you. Check to see what hubs and rims are on the wheels and if they are tubulars.
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
Have you ever tried putting a floating upper pulley in a Campagnolo RD? (Apologies if this is a thread hijack question.)
Any Campy derailleur I've seen post circa 1993 has a floating top pulley. There is no propietary or complex technology here.. all the manufacturer has to do is make the plastic pulley slightly narrower than the steel bushing.

And a floating top pulley is not a magical kludge solution for repairing fundamental inconsistencies between components, such as trying to run STI shifters with Campagnolo or SRAM derailleurs. Apart from a few weird exceptions, it still won't work.

All the floating top pulley does is to provide a tiny amount of play in order to quiet down the derailleur when things are slightly out of alignment. If the drivetrain is adjusted 100% from the start, then the floating top pulley does nothing.
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