nimyea

Hello, can someone help me ID this Peugeot? And maybe give me an estimate of what it might be worth. It's reportedly made from Reynolds 531 tubing, but how can I know for sure?



Also do you think this is too big for a 5 feet ten rider?

Bianchigirll 

I would be slightly dubious of the 531 claim unless there is actually an old sticker on the frame. There is several different grades and combinations of 531. A bike can simply have 3 main tubes of straight / nonbutted tubing and be labeled as 531.

Looks like a nice clean machine depending on your market maybe $150 or so.

bikemig 

Agree with BG that a sticker would be proof of tubing but I suspect this bike has a R531 main triangle as the rear drop outs are forged, not stamped. This was typically done on higher end bikes and so it is possible that the bike has a Reynolds main triangle. Still the parts are a bit of a mishmash; the crank is swaged and on the nicer peugeots, it would be forged. Also the wheels (which are pretty crusty btw) are higher end wheels with mavic rims.

3alarmer 

...I think maybe the crank might be nicer than you suppose, but I can't see it very well in the photo. I don't recognize it for certain.

bikemig 

Well the crank doesn't look as nice as the one in your pic but agree that I could be wrong and it might be decent quality; decent quality crank, pretty good rims, and forged rear drop outs suggest that this could be a Pug with Reynolds 531 tubing at least in the main triangle.

nimyea

Considering I have to replace the spokes, would 130 be a fair price?

3alarmer 

...no, I think you're correct, and it's a swaged Solida

3alarmer 

...where do you live and when does the winter weather hit ?

Bianchigirll 

Why do you have replace the spokes? I mean aside from the rust? A good scrubbing with some steel wool and maybe a bit of wax to preserve them will go a long way to make the wheels look nicer. Unless that has really nice hubs replacing the wheels will be simpler, and if you can't build the wheels yourself may be cheaper.

3alarmer 

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...my impression is that if you lack the sophistication to understand what this is in terms of bicycle, you ought not to buy it.

It has the biodegradable derailleurs that are common on many Peugeots of this era, the front one may already be cracked on the clamp,
and it has so much Frenchness going on that it becomes confusing to work on, unless you have some experience with these bikes.

It's difficult to determine the overall quality of it without better closeups of the components, but I think it might be wrong for you.

nimyea

So is this the kind of bicycle that would be hard to repair? I don't have much experience in cycling in general, and never owned a vintage bicycle.

oddjob2

It's probably worth the $130, if it fits you. Looks like a 56 cm frame, for 5'8-5'11" riders.

3alarmer 

...yes, it has different standards for tubing diameters, probably threading, and a number of other things that make it more difficult to source parts.
Also, the 531 thing seems dubious to me as well. Look for something of Japanese manufacture from the 80's and you ought to do OK.

Trakhak

That fork might be at least mildly bent, although it's difficult to tell from the picture.

Formerly (before edit; preserved to remind myself to type and post more circumspectly):

Is there a moratorium against mentioning bent forks? The fork is scrap, and, given how hard the impact would have to have been to bend the fork that much, probably the frame as well.

3alarmer 

...somebody always says it's camera angle, so I gave up.

Trakhak

In fact, looking again, it might indeed by camera angle! That, and I was expecting the standard gigantic UO8 fork radius.

OldsCOOL

I was just going to bring that up. Are the spokes that badly corroded as it appears in the pic?

bikemig 

I think this bike has at least 531 main tubing. My best guess is that this is some variation on a PKN 10 which had a Reynolds 531 DB main triangle and a high tensile fork and stays. Peugeot did not use forged drop outs on high tensile steel bikes. It did use other high end steels but in this era, the frame should be reynolds. So I think this part of the story about the bike is right.

The parts have issues (esp. the wheels and derailleurs.) The paint is in very decent shape for the age of the bike. I'm skeptical about the wheels and the derailleurs. So I value the bike at around $75-$100 mainly for the frame. The bike is clearly worth more if those wheels are salvegeable. If all you're buying is a 531 frame and a handful of parts, $100 is reasonable and perhaps a bit on the high side. But this is a nice frame and a good platform on which to build up a vintage bike if the buyer has the inclination and expertise. If the buyer doesn't have the parts and/or the expertise, pass on this bike. It needs work and it needs a transfusion of parts.

zukahn1 

I would consider $120-140 or so a fair price. Looks basically in good shape and ridiable. But needs work zip tied cables with no proper mount look to be kinda of a mess. Drilled out somewhat swagged crank and rings. Iffy looking brake fit and set up. Nice wheels and tires but kinda rough and don't go with the bike. As others have mentioned not likely a 531 frame most Pug 531 frames had much nicer looking chromed rear drops. If your not comfortable evaluating and checking out the working order on a bike like this out in person. I would say pass.

zazenzach

lmao! this is the greatest statement ever!

i love french bikes, but the hassle of servicing or having to find tools/parts for them is a dealbreaker for me

bikemig 

https://www.peugeotshow.com/1980nl/1980nl_30.jpg

I have never seen a high tensile PUG with forged drop outs. I have seen 531 main triangle PUGs that did not have a chromed rear triangle.

zukahn1 

Well the thinner looking none tappered rear top stays on the rear with forged drops would indicate nicer high carbon likely pug in house but not 531. As bikmig says could be a bike with 531 mains and PUG high carbon rear.

bertinjim 

nimyea-

You are probably looking at a 1970s PA 10 with plain gauge Peugeot hi-tensile tubing. Check the down tube - there will likely be a gold, rectangular label with "tubes allege" in black letters just above the shifters band. That and the gold seat tube decal bands would mean PA 10, as would the forged ends. If it's a PR 10 as suggested by bikemig, you would see a square 531 decal on the down tube and, usually, tricolour bands on the seatube. It would also have forged ends.

Either would be fairly priced in the $100 -140 range. They are said to ride like their big brother PX 10.