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Peugeot Vitesses 12 Speed, Flea Market Save
Hi all! I found this Peugeot at the flea market and felt I had to save it. 501 Renoyld tubing, 12 speed, simplex components, 700 c rims. For $40 I thought why not. Small dent on the top tube but not crucial at all. Planning on cleaning and making it mechanically sound. Any initial thoughts about year / model? Haven't look into it yet, but any info would be appreciated! Cheers.
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Catalogs
Start around 1980 and look forward (later years).
That bike probably doesn't need anything more than a thorough clean, lube, adjust. New chain, brake pads, maybe tires. Start by removing the seatpost and greasing it, hope it is not stuck.
Start around 1980 and look forward (later years).
That bike probably doesn't need anything more than a thorough clean, lube, adjust. New chain, brake pads, maybe tires. Start by removing the seatpost and greasing it, hope it is not stuck.
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Rainbow scheme, 501 fork and frame, quill seat post, probably a 1984 PGN 10. Looks to be a 54cm frame. Differences from my 1985 below include Nervar cranks and Simplex derailleurs. It is a great riding bike.
That top tube dent does affect market value and that's why you were able to buy it at a low price. BTW Vitesses is French for speeds, not the model designation. There should be a white paper tag on the left chain stay, where the bottom row will read PGN10 54.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1984pdf.pdf
That top tube dent does affect market value and that's why you were able to buy it at a low price. BTW Vitesses is French for speeds, not the model designation. There should be a white paper tag on the left chain stay, where the bottom row will read PGN10 54.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1984pdf.pdf
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Hey thanks for the info! I think you comented on another post of mine, it's appreciated. Yeah bummer about the dent, not big but condition is everything from what I understand. I figured, it's got the 501 running and didn't actually see that dent. No worries though, it being cheap, I figured this was a good find as I probably couldn't afford this bike in mint condition hahaha, plus then I can hook the next guy up for cheap too.
I had another question though, the guy I get these bikes from is at the flea market tomorrow with an Olympique Tour De France, looks like a 70s, golden color from France, too big for me but thought it might be a good find.
Also a 80-90 shogun with newer components. I like the older ones, but are the newer ones still valuable? Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks.
I had another question though, the guy I get these bikes from is at the flea market tomorrow with an Olympique Tour De France, looks like a 70s, golden color from France, too big for me but thought it might be a good find.
Also a 80-90 shogun with newer components. I like the older ones, but are the newer ones still valuable? Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks.
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Hey, the catalogs are awesome! Really appreciate it.
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Thanks for the info, nailed it!
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Did you find you needed to upgrade anything in particular with this bike?
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A possible stage 2 upgrade could be the change of the drivetrain to 8+ speed indexed system and brifters but that's a whole different story and will cost quite a much more than the very few upgrades I mentioned previous.
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Beautiful bike! Once you get it sorted out this is a $200-$250 bike all day long and that is being conservative. Of course it depends on where you are selling it but still. This seems to be a regular seller on eBay where people are willing to pay the shipping in addition to the sell price so check the sold listings and you can get confirmation from what I said.
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You'll find a few nuances with the '84...
1. Set screw for seat post. A better alternative is to an internally expanding post (not easy or cheap)
2. Funky braze-on FD. Positioning of the braze-on limits you to the Simplex. There may be an odd ball FD that'll fit above or below the braze-on butit's been decads since messed with one.
3. Threading. Could me a mix of British/French/Swiss. I'm inclined to say French fork and Swiss BB.
$225 in Tampa...more in the bay area (your bay area not mine)
1. Set screw for seat post. A better alternative is to an internally expanding post (not easy or cheap)
2. Funky braze-on FD. Positioning of the braze-on limits you to the Simplex. There may be an odd ball FD that'll fit above or below the braze-on butit's been decads since messed with one.
3. Threading. Could me a mix of British/French/Swiss. I'm inclined to say French fork and Swiss BB.
$225 in Tampa...more in the bay area (your bay area not mine)
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Hey there, I was curious if you could educate me on the french threading of the pedals? I want to swop them out, but don't know what brands will be compatible for the nevar cranks. I have Japanese Pro Vic pedals, and Italian Coompagnolo, but they don't go on with just fingers like the original french pedals (which aren't so great as you have pointed out). Any info would be appreciated! Cheers.
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Hey there, I was curious if you could educate me on the french threading of the pedals? I want to swop them out, but don't know what brands will be compatible for the nevar cranks. I have Japanese Pro Vic pedals, and Italian Coompagnolo, but they don't go on with just fingers like the original french pedals (which aren't so great as you have pointed out). Any info would be appreciated! Cheers.
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There's nothing wrong with a Nervar, but if you feel like upgrading it, you could get a TA Cyclotouriste. Best french crank ever. Maybe best touring crank ever.
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if the pedal axle flats have a "D" and A "G" marks on n it for "Droite" and "Gauche" French for right and left. Supposedly having that indicates most likely that it is french threaded. Problem sometimes is, some pedals, especially the cheaper ones, have no marking on them at all, and the only way to find out what threading they are, is to try to install them on crankarms that you know what the pedal hole threading is.
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Thanks guys for all the help and info! I'm really excited to get this bike back on the road. My first road bike was a Peugeot, but sadly was stolen and I've been wanting to get another one for a while now. Not a high end bike, but people are complimenting the style. I haven't gotten to ride my two bikes from the early 80s with the braze on DT shifters, and 700c rims. My other is a Bridgetone RB-3, which I know is bottom tier for that line, but right now I'm really interested in getting my basic mechanics skills up, and am on a budget so these low end bikes are perfect. I've been going to local flea markets and picking up whatever looks interesting. Super stoked about joining up with this site as it's already proven to be helpful, and members are actually active! I'll be sure to post more pics of the bike as it gets up and running.
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Thanks guys for all the help and info! I'm really excited to get this bike back on the road. My first road bike was a Peugeot, but sadly was stolen and I've been wanting to get another one for a while now. Not a high end bike, but people are complimenting the style. I haven't gotten to ride my two bikes from the early 80s with the braze on DT shifters, and 700c rims. My other is a Bridgetone RB-3, which I know is bottom tier for that line, but right now I'm really interested in getting my basic mechanics skills up, and am on a budget so these low end bikes are perfect. I've been going to local flea markets and picking up whatever looks interesting. Super stoked about joining up with this site as it's already proven to be helpful, and members are actually active! I'll be sure to post more pics of the bike as it gets up and running.
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I had one of those PGN10 in the eighties, bought brand new to replace the PX10e (bought new in 74)that was stolen.
I couldn't afford the higher end Peugeot so I got the PGN10.. and it was a nice ride.
It too was stolen.
I couldn't afford the higher end Peugeot so I got the PGN10.. and it was a nice ride.
It too was stolen.
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Mind if I ask which flea markets? I was out there for 5 weeks this past August and didn't find anything. Reply to my email if you don't want to tip anyone off as to where you go...and I might be able to give you a few tips jim2527@hotmail.com
Bridgestone Cyclone (70s?), with a Ted Williams free spirit headlight (repainting the Ted Williams atm), SR cranks from a C. Itoh, and Jun handlebars. O and a Suntour Perfect casset with race gearing (14-21T ?). I put ARII rear derail., and Suntour SL front derail with the original Suntour DT shifters. Super good fit for me and it has some cool braze on features. Get lots of compliments about the paint, and picked it up for $25.
I'm starting to look for auctions and estate sales, but not much luck yet.
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Also, I went ahead and trued a par of rims from the RB-3 I have instead of going with the original Helio Hub. I was reading on Sheldon Brown that the hub tended to break spokes and limits which cassettes you can swop out. Maybe I'll fix it up later, but I had these other rims with a Shimano 600 6 speed cassette (which has better I want to say high end gearing? Less climbing more flat land speed).
Spent a few hours this Sunday afternoon... Here is where I'm at so far...
New cables / cable housing, repacked headset with fresh park tool grease, scrubbed the surface race off, tuned the derailleurs and its good to go now. Might grab a new chain, new handlebar tap, and a kick stand, but that's about it for this one. After seeing your bike, I'm really excited to ride tomorrow!
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[QUOTE=Johnny 831;17334391]Sorry to bug you more, I had a question about the cranks. I tried my crank puller on the nevar cranks, and it keeps cross threading. I'm wondering if it's a different threading than Japanese cranks? Or maybe someone stripped it out already. I didn't mess with the bottom bracket because of this, but it seems to be in good working order so I skipped it for now. Any thoughts are appreciated!
Also, I went ahead and trued a par of rims from the RB-3 I have instead of going with the original Helio Hub. I was reading on Sheldon Brown that the hub tended to break spokes and limits which cassettes you can swop out. Maybe I'll fix it up later, but I had these other rims with a Shimano 600 6 speed cassette (which has better I want to say high end gearing? Less climbing more flat land speed).
Spent a few hours this Sunday afternoon... Here is where I'm at so far...
New cables / cable housing, repacked headset with fresh park tool grease, scrubbed the surface race off, tuned the derailleurs and its good to go now. Might grab a new chain, new handlebar tap, and a kick stand, but that's about it for this one. After seeing your bike, I'm really excited to ride tomorrow!
/QUOTE]
Be careful with alloy cranks, as the aluminum threads are brittle and soft. Grease the crank puller threads and try again. YMMV, but vintage TA and Stronglight need a larger diameter tool, which does not appear to be the case here.
Helicomatic hubs require helicomatic cassettes, due to the spiral design. Bearings are mounted outboard as well. The cassettes are no longer produced and can be expensive to replace. They were OEM on Peugeot and Trek road bikes from the 1980's.
FYI, this is the NO KICKSTANDS forum.
Also, I went ahead and trued a par of rims from the RB-3 I have instead of going with the original Helio Hub. I was reading on Sheldon Brown that the hub tended to break spokes and limits which cassettes you can swop out. Maybe I'll fix it up later, but I had these other rims with a Shimano 600 6 speed cassette (which has better I want to say high end gearing? Less climbing more flat land speed).
Spent a few hours this Sunday afternoon... Here is where I'm at so far...
New cables / cable housing, repacked headset with fresh park tool grease, scrubbed the surface race off, tuned the derailleurs and its good to go now. Might grab a new chain, new handlebar tap, and a kick stand, but that's about it for this one. After seeing your bike, I'm really excited to ride tomorrow!
/QUOTE]
Be careful with alloy cranks, as the aluminum threads are brittle and soft. Grease the crank puller threads and try again. YMMV, but vintage TA and Stronglight need a larger diameter tool, which does not appear to be the case here.
Helicomatic hubs require helicomatic cassettes, due to the spiral design. Bearings are mounted outboard as well. The cassettes are no longer produced and can be expensive to replace. They were OEM on Peugeot and Trek road bikes from the 1980's.
FYI, this is the NO KICKSTANDS forum.
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