BlueDevil63 

This is a highly original 1983 Ciocc San Cristobal in "rasta" colors. It has pantographed shift levers, seat tube, stem, brake levers and brake calipers with red, green, black, gold (and white) paint details. This is a 61cm Columbus SP frame with tear drop lugs, cutouts in lugs and bottom bracket and chrome fork and rear triangle. I bought it from the original owner. It has the following components:

• Campagnolo Super Record seat post, black, pantographed and painted
• Campagnolo Super Record brakes and levers, polished, pantographed and painted
• Campagnolo Record headset
• Cinelli 1R stem, black, pantographed, painted
• Regina freewheel
• Everest hollow pin chain
• Campagnolo Super Record rear derailleur
• Campagnolo Super Record crankset
• Campagnolo Super Record front derailleur
• Campagnolo Record shift levers, black, pantographed and painted
• Campagnolo Record low flange hubs, Saturne tubular rims

This is a very nice and very rare original early '80s Ciocc. It is probably the top of the top of the line for Ciocc. The original owner bought it in late '82 and I bought it from him about 7 years ago. It is a large SP frame - 61cm ctc. The frame has all original decals and chrome is in great shape. There are numerous touchups and the original clearcoat is worn off in places giving a bit of an uneven finish.

Bar tape and hoods are definitely not original. Has Bullseye jockey wheels. I don't know if seat is original, when did Turbos come out? Chain is not original.

There are very few price points on a bike like this to determine value. Ciocc is certainly not Cinelli or Masi but a top of the line frame in good shape and the extensively pantographed top end components should command a high value. Anyone have an opinion? I am looking for Ebay value here as I have no local market to work from. I found no closed transactions on Ebay for anything like this.











More pictures here https://flic.kr/s/aHsjNfXcWK

rccardr 

I would ballpark it at $1800, knowing that anything coming from you is pretty exemplary. Ciocc stuff has been doing well lately, and even with the limited larger size market, I think you could eventually get that much out of it.

Working against you is the old saying about half a bike's value being in the groupset, and the other half in the frameset.
A full SR groupset in exceptional condition is bringing somewhere around $900-1000 these days, not sure a Ciocc frameset in that size will command the same. Maybe...

BlueDevil63 

I think that is a reasonable number. There have been some other San Cristobal frames sold and if the paint was a bit better I would say this is a $1000 frame. But it is a bit rough and the color is very hard to match. The graphics colors are pretty rare and the full chrome rear triangle is also pretty distinctive. I think the pantographed components, especially in black, are quite rare. I could certainly part this out for over $2000 but I hate to break up an original bike and component set. I could sell the frame and pantoed components as a set and part everything else out as it is just regular SR. The rear derailleur is PAT. 82 or 83. The brakes are V2 Super Record which came out in 83 so this is probably an 83. They are pantoed but not in a Ciocc specific way, just Italian colors.

I bought this bike because of the pantoed component set but it really never grabbed me. I guess the graphics are a little too modern and the black components don't thrill. It is really too big for me also. But it is a really nicely built bike. It is a short wheelbase bike with pretty steep angles. The teardrop lugs are really very nicely done and very unique.

T-Mar

There is no way that I would spend that kind of money for a bicycle that does not come with toe clips and straps. It looks naked without them.

BlueDevil63 

Agreed. I plan to put another set of pedals on it for sale though. Those will have clips and straps.

WolfRyder

Nice man, Could make the size work for me, I don't have a Panto'd bike yet. The bike is all there and looks VG+ to me. Black can be a tough color sometimes,(scratches, dirt, everything shows on black.) but that one works well enough. Black and chrome is good too.

I like it and the special issue frame and Panto parts make it pretty top tier. Too rich for my blood at the moment, and even though I can fit a tall bike, I expect to pay a little less than I would for the same bike per se, that is smaller.

BlueDevil63 

One problem is that it is not black. It is an eggplant color. Very hard to match.

keithwbloom

Bellisimo! Love the color. I think I'm gonna need to start shopping an early 80's pantographed frameset and some SR to feed my newly hatched Ciocc bug. Hope you don't mind my post here, just building my newbie count if that's okay. I have photos to share in my "1993? Ciocc REPLICA San Cristobal Restoration" project thread to hopefully get some knowledge/assistance...

zukahn1 

I really like the look of the bike the top end components with matching custom details are a great touch. I do agree the dark slightly translucent eggplant paint looks great but could be real tough to match. As for value I would agree that it close to the top of the private market for vintage bikes so $1700-2000. If you have the original matching pedals it would really help to complete the great look of this bike.

rccardr 

Interesting revisit. Not sure if you are still trying to sell this, but I'd back down to maybe- maybe- $1600, today.


Recently sold a full and very nice SR group for $550, so those have come down as well.

rideandgoseek 

Interestingly enough I picked up this early 80's Ciocc Mockba 80 (the successor to the San Cristobal at the top of the Ciocc line) on Friday from a gentleman in Laramie, Wyoming.

As you can see it is absolutely filthy and in need of a complete overhaul.

Story is that the guy in Laramie was selling it for a friend. The bike supposedly belonged to the father of his friend who lived in Switzerland. When the mother and father passed away the son (who also lived in Switzerland at the time) let their belongings sit for years. In 2017 the son decided to move to the US so he finally had to address his parents belongings. A storage container was loaded up and shipped to the US and the Ciocc was put inside. It's unclear why the son didn't sell it himself. I actually had my brother pick up the bike for me when he was in Laramie for a hockey trip so details are a little hazy. But this is the info I was provided

The seller's best guess is that the bike hasn't been ridden since the late 80's. It shows...

Chombi1 

That bike's gonna be quite easy to clean up. it looks mostly like just dust on grease all over the bike.
You can give the frame a WD40 wipe down. Only thing you might watch out for is a seized seatpost or stem, but maybe the light coating of grease, seemingly on everything, extended down into the seatoust and stem too. At least it looks like it kept rust away,

rccardr 

That's what I call 'protective filth'. Bet there's a beauty under there!

Kevindale

That's going to be a beautiful bike. I'm guessing that the FD braze-on and the portacatena dropout mark this Mockba to 1982-1983?

I had to look up what Mockba meant, and found an old BF post by DiabloScott pointing out that it should be written MOCKBA in English letters, since it's meant to represent Cyrillic letters in the spelling of Moscow. The things I learn here...

Oh, and the beautiful bike in the original post from last year - those are Mardi Gras colors, not Rasta colors!

Drillium Dude 

That's quite a find! The "Rasta" reference: for whatever reason, that's the moniker that was going around bitd to describe the red/yellow/green colorway. I found it interesting that the "Ciocc" on the head tube is in contrasting yellow compared to the main logos done in white. Looks like full-pantographed Super Record gruppo (seatpost, too?) which I would bet is all original. Love the rare Concor Profil saddle and leather Almarc bar covering. This bike would've been absolutely top-of-the-line for Ciocc in 1983 or so.

I too believe it will clean up magnificently. If you paid under a grand you did well.

@rideandgoseek, you should do a before/after thread on your recent score. Just sayin'

DD

well biked

Apologies for an off topic post, but I've often wondered where the English spelling (and pronunciation) of "Moscow" came from. Phonetically, using the English (Latin) alphabet, the city's name would be spelled "Moskva," as pronounced in Russian. Why was the city's name, in English, not spelled Moskva? In the Cyrillic alphabet, the city's name is spelled MOCKBA, which, again, is pronounced "Moskva," using Cyrillic phonetics. In English, why not Moskva instead of Moscow?

Anyone have some insight on this? Sorry for being off topic!

Oakman

Here's a somewhat similar one on Gainesville,FL Craigslist

https://gainesville.craigslist.org/b...482949800.html

Spaghetti Legs 

No particular insight on the derivation of Moscow, but I did study Russian in college and some study in linguistics so I feel competent to make an educated guess!

There is no specific letter for the "w" sound in Russian, so the "v" and "w" seem to get tossed around a lot interchangeably- not sure why. Frequently in translating Russian sounds to English sounds, a vowel is thrown in between consonant clusters, hence the appearance of the "o". Also maybe the gender of the word may have some role in the translation as well. Feminine Russian words generally end in "a" and maybe the translation at some point required "gender reassignment". Other cities change names between languages as well. Gdansk and Danzig in Poland as an example.

well biked

Thanks. I don't speak Russian much at all, but I have done a fair amount of traveling there, and I just always thought it was weird that when translating to English, Russian people in Moscow would have to change the pronunciation of their city's name because of the English spelling in order to translate it. And it's not like it would have been difficult, phonetically, to come up with an English spelling (Moskva) that reflects the way it is pronounced in Russian.

As a side note, most people pronounce the last syllable to sound like the bovine animal, but Russians seem to always pronounce the "ow" as a long o.

Spaghetti Legs 

That’s the default pronunciation of “o” in Russian. Rarely pronounced “ah” like Oleg is “ah-lyeck”. If you ask for “vodka” with the English pronunciation, you’ll get a quizzical look. More like “voydka”

well biked

BlueDevil63 

That is going to clean up really nice! I ended up selling mine for $1600 plus another $100 or so for some more rideable components.

rideandgoseek 

Had a chance to give the Ciocc a good wipe down and you were all right, there was a real nice bike under all that grease and dust!

Still need to wipe down the spokes and also take off the chainrings and get at them properly but the good news is the seat post and stem both move freely.

Eventually I'll do a proper before and after post of this bike but thought I'd at least take a few quick pics and show you guys the progress.

Next up is having all bearings overhauled and new cables and housing. Finally I'll address those old sew ups although that may be a bit down the road.

Thanks to everyone for all their interest and info regarding this very cool bike!

Chombi1 

Beautiful Beautiful Ciocc!
Seems like every box was checked on the option list for that bike. All the pantographing one could imagine for a Ciocc is present. If you can push the cleaning and restoration to get close to almost new condition, that bike can really reach its max value to collectors, especially to Ciocc fans. I think $1.8 - $2.0 K is very possible l, especially in that color and size. More if you get the right people bidding for it.

Paletti

Love that bike. I had the same frame about 5 years ago in a 56 same color and tear drop lugs. My paint wasn’t as nice as yours but still solid. I regretfully sold it on eBay and got 550 for the frame. If you want to collect a ciocc in my opinion yours is the color and model that was the best example. I’ve been looking for another one ever since.