I'm a Italian Frame, late 70's, Chrome Head Stock what Am I??
03-28-17, 10:15 PM
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I'm a Italian Frame, late 70's, Chrome Head Stock what Am I??
I was working on the restoring my dads 1972 Atala Record 101 (which i will post the before and afters later) when I took it to my powder coat shop and stubbled upon this neglected frame.
It is 52cm Frame has Campi drop outs, Columbus steel tubbing. It has a pretty unique head tube which to the trained eye should help me figure out what kind of frame this is.
Raleigh Maybe?
It is 52cm Frame has Campi drop outs, Columbus steel tubbing. It has a pretty unique head tube which to the trained eye should help me figure out what kind of frame this is.
Raleigh Maybe?
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Did you find a Columbus mark on one of the tubes?
There were no Columbus Raleigh's at this time.
The head emblem fastener pattern and the seat stay treatment combined with lugs and braze-ons certainly do suggest a Raleigh of the early seventies. Both the Raleigh oval emblem employed up through 1970 and the cutout heron head emblem employed 1971 and beyond make use of a three fastener arrangement.
Is there a fork with the frame as well?
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Did you find a Columbus mark on one of the tubes?
There were no Columbus Raleigh's at this time.
The head emblem fastener pattern and the seat stay treatment combined with lugs and braze-ons certainly do suggest a Raleigh of the early seventies. Both the Raleigh oval emblem employed up through 1970 and the cutout heron head emblem employed 1971 and beyond make use of a three fastener arrangement.
Is there a fork with the frame as well?
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Definitely Raleigh (3-hole headbadge with a "shadow.")
Not real strong on my International specs, but that's my first guess at model based on the head lugs, seat cluster and wheel dropouts.
The remains of the Campy headset are another, weaker indicator.
Not real strong on my International specs, but that's my first guess at model based on the head lugs, seat cluster and wheel dropouts.
The remains of the Campy headset are another, weaker indicator.
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If the Columbus name is on the dropouts then scratch my assumptions above.
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How do you know it is Columbus tubing?
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03-29-17, 06:36 AM
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My immediate thought was also a Raleigh International. In addition to the above indicators, Raleigh was one of the few manufacturers to use top tube cable stops and a stay bridge cable stop on their high end frames. Most other manufacturers used cable clips and pinch bolt hangers respectively. Regardless, the Raleigh/Worksop serial number format is well established, so posting the serial number should confirm whether it is a Raleigh or not.
03-29-17, 06:56 AM
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I also see a British influence in the guide loop for the brake cable brazed ons. This little touch wasn't that common and rare outside the UK.
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Sure looks to be a bike made at Raleigh Carlton Workshop Factory in the early 70's the dropouts and details with chrome head tube indicate a 69-73 build.
03-29-17, 09:33 AM
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Yup, that's a Raleigh. Very much doubt it is Columbus tubing.
Do you have the serial number?
Do you have the serial number?
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There was no Columbus marking on the frame, And yes the fork is with it as well. I only assumed it might have been Columbus because it has a similar serial number marking under the down tube which my Atala record 72' frame has. Do you know what kind of tubes were on early 70's raleigh? any good?
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i'm not certain it is columbus
There was no Columbus marking on the frame, And yes the fork is with it as well. I only assumed it might have been Columbus because it has a similar serial number marking under the down tube which my Atala record 72' frame has. Do you know what kind of tubes were on early 70's raleigh? any good?
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Did you find a Columbus mark on one of the tubes?
There were no Columbus Raleigh's at this time.
The head emblem fastener pattern and the seat stay treatment combined with lugs and braze-ons certainly do suggest a Raleigh of the early seventies. Both the Raleigh oval emblem employed up through 1970 and the cutout heron head emblem employed 1971 and beyond make use of a three fastener arrangement.
Is there a fork with the frame as well?
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Did you find a Columbus mark on one of the tubes?
There were no Columbus Raleigh's at this time.
The head emblem fastener pattern and the seat stay treatment combined with lugs and braze-ons certainly do suggest a Raleigh of the early seventies. Both the Raleigh oval emblem employed up through 1970 and the cutout heron head emblem employed 1971 and beyond make use of a three fastener arrangement.
Is there a fork with the frame as well?
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03-30-17, 08:00 PM
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T-MAR I'll post the serial number soon, are you suggesting that higher end raleighs used cable stops in their frames, and lower end models did not?
My immediate thought was also a Raleigh International. In addition to the above indicators, Raleigh was one of the few manufacturers to use top tube cable stops and a stay bridge cable stop on their high end frames. Most other manufacturers used cable clips and pinch bolt hangers respectively. Regardless, the Raleigh/Worksop serial number format is well established, so posting the serial number should confirm whether it is a Raleigh or not.
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My opinion is that the tubing should be Reynolds 531.
You can make some researches here:
Retro Raleighs
You can make some researches here:
Retro Raleighs
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No. Most manufacturers used cable stops on the lower end end models and cable clips on the higher end models during the early 1970s, which is the apparent era of your bicycle. Raleigh, used top tube cable stops on both low and high end models during this era, with the notable exception of the Professional which got cable clips circa 1970. The other higher end Raleighs started using cable clips circa 1977.
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As for tubing the nicer Ralieghs from this era mostly had 531 main tubes and the chain stays and fork varied by model with some having hi-ten Raliegh stays and fork, since this one is a fast back with Campy dropouts I would guess it is likely full 531.
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