sasher1982

so i picked this thing up at the fleamarket for ten dollars it has a campy record rear derailleur a sugino crank and cinelli handle bars i cant find any decals or anything

oddjob2

The info you provided is like trying to ID a car based on it has Goodyear tires, 2 doors, and is blue.

Best bet is to upload photos to a hosting site and provide a link to the site.

CliffordK

Or, since newbies can't post links, use the BikeForums photo system.

Just go to the Advanced Editor and click on the Paper Clip icon.

JPG images around 100 kb are best. It will resize photos larger than 100kb. Detailed photos of the components, lugs, lug cutouts, and bottom bracket help. Also whether it is English, French, or Italian threading on the bottom bracket and fork (should be marked on the side of the bottom bracket). Also look for branding on dropouts.

Campagnolo had several models of "Record" derailleurs. I can't think of any worth less than $10 if intact, so it sounds like you got a good deal on the bike.

sasher1982

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CliffordK

No pictures of the whole bike?
That looks HUGE. How tall are you?

That is one of the bikes where the parts are worth much more than the bike as a whole.

It looks like typical high tensile steel tubing , often called "gas pipe", probably made in the 70's. Note the pressed steel rear dropouts and fake fork crown.

The bike has had several upgrades, the rear derailleur, crankset, bars, and bar-end shifters which would make up the majority of the value.

Sorry, not definitive ID no the frame.

Any signs of prior holes in the head tube? Dimples for holes? Serial number + location? Bottom bracket and steer tube threading would help narrow it down a bit.

sasher1982

nothing no stickers or anything

Dirt Farmer

Nice score for $10!

CliffordK

Do the seatstay end caps wrap around the top tube?

That could indicate British origin. Perhaps Falcon.


Edit: Later photos contradict that hypothesis

exxongraftek

Is there any sort of marking (like "Cinelli-Milano") on that steel stem?
Should also have some branding logos (Campagnolo, Shimano, Weinmann, Universal, etc.) on the brakes, hubs, and front changer.
You did very well for $10.

sasher1982

no markings at all but does say cinelli on the stem

himespau 

No clue as to what it is, but there do seem to be at least $10 in parts there, assuming they work and aren't all seized up.

Scooper

What is the seatpost diameter?

sasher1982

I might be getting somewhere on the front of the bike right under the stem there is some thing I can't make it out though

gbi

Looks like Bocama lugs marking.

I'm kind of guessing it MIGHT be a Gitane Interclub.

sasher1982

so is that a good thing?

gbi

Interclubs are not a high end bike and they are not low end either.

I would say they are a lower mid-level bike.

rustystrings61 

I think this is a Gitane Interclub from before 1974 or so - it still has the stamped flat rear dropouts instead of the Huret honeycombs. The flat rear brake cable housing stop bridging the seat stays is the deciding factor. The rear stays also taper, unlike the lesser Gitanes, and this model took cable clamps, another sign. The geometry is pretty much the same as the 531-tubed Tour de France, and this would be an ideal exhibit A to support the statement, "The French have a way with gaspipe."

If you go poking around the vintage Gitane forum you'll find a bunch of information on them around there. Somewhere on there are posts talking about the different tubing used in the Interclub through the years. It was always a little bit lighter than standard gaspipe, and some of them were Durifort. Do check the seatpost diameter! The next generation of these with Huret dropouts were Reynolds 531 main tubes. Look for postings by verktyg, who knows lots of Gitane details. This one here features a similar sized Gitane Interclub in its original paint and decals and the photos are still accessible. There's a bit where 25.8 is mentioned as the seatpost diameter for bikes built with conventional tubing, so anything larger diameter would indicate something nicer.

I keep hoping I'll stumble onto one of these in my size just for fun - allegedly they ride very nicely for a bike built of less-than-premium tubing. You have some nice upgraded parts there, and the steel Cinelli stem, gently polished with Quick-Glo or something not overly abrasive, is probably a high dollar item.

juvela

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At first the domed stay ends made me think british but then there is the centrepull bridge and other details. Second Gitane Interclub suggestion. The ALGI seat binder tends to support a french identification. Fork not original.

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sasher1982

so how do I measure the seat tube take the seat out and then measure it or do I tighten the bolt up and then measure? thanks.

rustystrings61 

I would loosen the fixing bolt and remove the seat post from the frame and measure it with some calipers. It looks to me like the original steel unit. You'll want to remove the seat post anyway, just to make certain it's not stuck. Or you could take it to a reasonably equipped LBS and they would have some sort of seat post measurement tool they could insert into the frame to check the actual internal diameter.

Being a French bike from the era of metric gauge tubing and threading, the external diameter of the seat tube on that frame should be an even 28 mm, rather than the conventional 28.6. Subtract the diameter of the seat tube from 28 mm and divide that in half et voila, your tubing thickness is revealed.

If you part it out, you will want to measure the handlebar stem quill - I would suspect that it is French 22.0 or less, rather than the conventional 22.2, and being a steel Cinelli with a French diameter quill might make it more desirable.

If you decide to keep it, do not be dismayed by those who disparage French bikes - yes, some parts you have to go out and seek and find, but for the most part you can put almost anything on it. And there is something about how French bikes ride, and Gitanes in particular. I have never ridden a Gitane that I didn't like.

merziac

Cinelli stem is likely to be your best score ever. $$$

sasher1982

i have the cinelli handlebars too lol

Drillium Dude 

Money is in the components, in particular the Cinelli stem as has been noted. You'll get a fine return for your investment if you part it out. Check Ebay's Sold Items for ideas for how to price the parts. Prices ebb and flow, so recently sold stuff will be your best indicator of current value, tho that stem will pretty much always hold its value.

DD